Then a very unusual and disturbing conversation took place in the afternoon of Nov. 11, 1977 (Conv Bk 36, p. 378-380). The devotees have been discussing Srila Prabhupada’s desire and proposal that he be taken by bullock cart on a multi-day parikrama pilgrimage from Vrindaban to Govardhan Hill, many miles distant over poor quality, very rough and pot-holed country roads.
An intense controversy develops as some, particularly Tamal, Bhavananda, and Jayapataka try very hard to dissuade Srila Prabhupada from going on this parikrama by citing the physical stress and danger to his health and life. The kaviraja deemed the trip would be fatal due to the rough roads. Srila Prabhupada was determined to go, however, as can be seen in the conversation.
Tamal: This seems like suicide, Srila Prabhupada, this program. It seems to some of us like it’s suicide.
SP: And this is also suicidal. Tamal: (turning to others) Hmm. Prabhupada said “And this is also suicide.” (turning back to Prabhupada) Now you have to choose which suicide.
SP: The Ravana will kill and Rama will kill. Better to be killed by Rama, eh? That Marica- if he does not go to mislead Sita, he’ll be killed by Ravana. And if he goes to be killed by Rama, then it is better.
Then a little later, after Tamal, Bhavananda and Jayapataka all vigorously try to convince Srila Prabhupada to wait until his health is stronger before attempting such a strenuous physical ordeal as a Govardhana parikrama:
“SP: But I think I shall be cured. Tamal: Prabhupada says he thinks he will be cured by the parikrama.”
Hansadutta calmly objected that if Srila Prabhupada was convinced parikrama would cure him, and he was determined to go, and was asking for his men to take him on parikrama, then how could any faithful disciple put forward any contrary arguments?
But Tamal did not appreciate Hansadutta’s opinion, and according to Urdhvaga das, shortly afterwards and outside of Srila Prabhupada’s room, verbally blasted Hansadutta for wanting to kill Srila Prabhupada. Hansadutta was stunned and shocked.
PADA: Right. Hansadutta was well aware there was a major problem going on with Srila Prabhupada's departure. At one point -- many years later -- he told me he agreed that there is some sinister evidence of a poison complaint, but a week later, he denied he ever said he had agreed. He was waffling all the time.
And that is perhaps because he and Tamal became close buddies in 1978 and they were often hanging out together, and he would have been implicated if he knew Tamal was up to no good. Later on, in Topanga Tamal and Hansadutta admit there was no guru appointment, but that conversation was hidden from the devotees. And both of them denied this conversation even took place, but someone had taped it and it came out later.
So it would look like Hansadutta was associated with Judas if he agreed there was a homicide against Srila Prabhupada wrong doing. Of course Hansadutta had no problem saying that Srila Prabhupada appointed 11 conditioned souls as his successors, and he poisoned the society by making these 11 into "Krishna's successors."
Hansadutta died basically a lifetime alcoholic and he was "very depressed." Yeah, he knows where he is going -- i.e. to the court of Yamaraja -- for supporting all this deviation. He did make some partial admissions, and that is better than nothing, but it was way too little and way too late to help hardly any victims, or fix ISKCON in any tangible way.
And the bad publicity he created will take generations to fade out and be removed from people's impressions of ISKCON. He waited far too long to make a partial restitution. And Berkeley temple ended up being transformed from a thriving community with three houses, to a ghost town with no houses, the houses being sold and all of the people in those houses scattered away, and it has been a skeleton crew basket case ever since.
And no one even knows for sure what happened to the large marble deities Hansadutta had stolen from Seattle and he had them living in his dirty shed. He broke the hearts of the devotees who missed that deity, just so the deity could be living in a shed with an alcoholic and his dirty laundry. And that is why someone said "Hansadutta wants Krishna to be living in a ghetto, so that is where Hansadutta will be living."
TAMAL’S REVISION OF THE “CHOOSE WHICH SUICIDE” INCIDENT- Tamal altered the Rama / Ravana conversations in his TKG’s Diary (p. 345-6). He cleverly alters and re-engineers the conversation; Tamal often rewrote history, and here we see his “sanitization” skills.
Compare his version below to the actual one above.
“Jagadish: Why do you want to go on parikrama?
SP: Let us call Krishnadasa Babaji and then decide. Either Ravana will kill, or Rama will kill. Better to be killed by Rama. If Marica doesn’t go to mislead Sita, he will be killed by Ravana; and if he goes, he’ll be killed by Rama. We gave many arguments for accepting the advice of the kaviraja.
“SP: But I think I will be cured by the parikrama.”
Conspicuous by his absence, Tamal has removed himself from the conversation completely. He has also removed the subject of suicide and his saying “Now you have to choose which suicide.” Subtle but brutal is how Tamal attempts to re-package himself as the hero of the “final pastimes.”
We are keenly aware of his rewriting tendencies and his dark pen. Another example: he omitted very outrageous, controversial parts of his book Servant of the Servant when it was reprinted in 1991 after the zonal acharya system fell from favor.” (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories, 1.346)
“CHAPTER 103: VARIOUS OBJECTIONS ANSWERED (Cont.)-“SRILA PRABHUPADA’S CARETAKERS HAD SO MUCH LOVE FOR HIM”
Most murders involve “loved ones” such as parents, children, spouses, relatives, business partners, etc. Hate, greed, or anger overcomes the love that is also there. We should not underestimate the allure of becoming the new Prabhupada, an absolute guru. The early eighties were a true sight to behold, unknown to the later generations of devotees, as eleven “princes” paraded themselves around with heads held high and exerting their “divine” privileges in increasingly decadent exhibitions of their impure hearts.
“There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaishnavas in this Krishna consciousness movement...”
“...there are many mundane persons in the dress of Vaishnavas, and Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura has described them as disciples of Kali. He says kali-cela.” (CC Mad 1.1.218)
Simply because someone has the dress of a devotee, wears tilak, knows the walk and the talk, does not mean he cannot be capable of killing the spiritual master for his own material benefit. It only took a few out of many thousands of loving disciples. It is accepted by many that agents of Kali entered ISKCON and conspired to remove Srila Prabhupada by poison.
It may very well be that the senior leaders surrounding Srila Prabhupada DID love Srila Prabhupada, and this is not denied, nor is it the real issue. But one (out of many) can have great love for Srila Prabhupada while having a greater love for that which became available upon his early departure.
“An honest and trusting person has to work really hard to understand the ways and means of the Ravana pretenders that Srila Prabhupada pointed out to us in Nov. 1977. The Ravanas do not think and act like we do. I was close enough to most of them for a long time to witness their duplicitous behaviors that still charms and bewilders so many.” (Naveen Krishna das, 2015) (Srila Prabhupada's Hidden Glories 1.661)
PADA: Yeah, people like Gargamuni told me that there is no way that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned -- because these leaders loved him. Ummm, nope. And after they got rid of him, they got rid of his disciples, and created a child molesting empire, and many other crimes, which would show -- they DO NOT love him or his movement. We have to judge a thing by the result, and the results here are CLEARLY horrendous just as the initial poisoning is also CLEARLY horrendous. People who do horrendous things go to horrendous future births, that is the way this works.
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