Lerma Aja's "Factionless" Movement Idea

PADA: OK this person started out being somewhat friendly, but gradually started revealing their real idea, we should make "a new movement" based solely on varnasrama, and without any bogus "factions." OK sign me up, who wants to be part of all these bogus factions?

Oh oh! One of the first "factions" that needs to be eliminated is -- the ritviks faction. Goody. So what "other factions" are going to be running the place? The GBC faction, Gaudiya Matha faction, who knows -- maybe the worshipers of Mother Amma faction? No one knows? What form of acharya worship should be established in this new community? How will we enforce that the acharya's worship is standardized without exceptions (allowing the worship of other acharyas) in this new community?  

Sorry, all the varnas and ashramas are subordinated to the system of -- first of all, standardized worship of the acharya and Krishna. So we need to establish first: who is the acharya, how will his worship be established, and how will his system of worship of Krishna be upheld -- i.e. enforced -- by the leaders and authorities in the new community? 

And which books are going to be standard? Are we going to have Srila Prabhupada's books, and Gaudiya Matha books, and who knows what else? 

And -- if there is no structure -- based on "no factions" won't we have a sort of "free for all" hodge podge, like they already have in India, or Alachua and other places where multiple acharyas and systems of worship, or independent processes, are going on simultaneously. And if we are going to have a free for all, why not include the ritviks? We are going to make a factionless program, that attacks all the other factions? Never going to work.  

Even in the Christian society, first of all -- they establish who is the acharya, how will the acharya be worshiped, how will the managers of the church uphold the teachings of the acharya etc., then the other systems and functions of the society are established after that. So it does not seem this person has thought through the ramifications of a "factionless" society. 

Srila Prabhupada does not participate or cooperate with other programs, including the self appointed gurus in his own Gaudiya Matha. Are we saying he was making a faction against these other groups?  

Then, we finally get to the real root issue here. Lerha Aja is complaining that PADA is instigating "litigations" by helping various court cases, including the child molesting and book changes court cases. And we are wrong to have been helping law enforcement, by acting as a police and FBI advisor on various police raids, arrests, illegal drug and gun sales programs run by "the devotees" etc. And of course we should not be acting as an eye witness helping various expose magazine articles, books, other media articles, various expose TV shows and so forth.

OK let us back up here for a second. We are going to have varnasrama, which means we will have a very high level of oversight law enforcement -- starting with the saintly leaders being watch dogs over criminal activity. And we will then have many others acting as law enforcing agents for these leaders -- sort of like the street beat police. What happens if no such system actually functions in ISKCON? Should we have no checks and balances for criminal behavior?

Evidently, yes -- we should unleash the flood gates and allow criminal activity. Ok next question, we should allow crimes "without using litigation" -- even when children are being treated criminally? OK that is when Lerha Aja had to quit the conversation and got really angry with PADA editor. Sorry! There is no good excuse to allow crimes to be committed upon children, even if we have to beg the mundane police and courts for help. And people actually get into a pinch when they are forced to answer.

Same problem we have had with GBC ilk, Gaudiya Math ilk, and of course Naranarayan Visvakarma and his disciples like Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad das / HKC Jaipur etc. Why should we stop child molesting and perhaps even suicides of the victims? 

Rather, let us make ISKCON a haven for child molesting. We should allow crimes against children to continue, because otherwise we have to engage in "litigation" -- which is forbidden by these folks. OK, so there is no internal law enforcement process, there is no external law enforcement process, so then we have a society where banning, beating, molesting, suing and assassinating devotees becomes unleashed. And then we have: unrestricted book changers; pedophiles being buried in samadhis; illicit sex with men, women and children acharya programs, and all the rest of it.

That is the result of not enforcing laws ourselves, or working hand in glove with mundane law enforcement to get them to lend a hand. It becomes a haven for bad actors, and bad apa-siddhanta -- for example that acharyas (are or) can become debauchees and criminals. So we want to have a factionless society, where even getting justice for crimes is considered as a bogus faction. Notice that we could exchange "faction-less" for "law-less" in the idea supported by various devotees.

Then we make pretend we wonder how ISKCON becomes infested with criminals and criminal behaviors? Ummm, it is self evident how that happens, crooks who have an enabling crew of apologists, cheer leaders, cover ups, and in sum "friends in high places" will flourish while the hapless citizens are victimized. Anyway, I don't think I will hear from this person again. When confronted with the results of their idea, they have to decamp and run away. Happens all the time. ys pd     

 And here is yet another person who is a victim of their idea and process:

Is Everything Conscious -- Including the Universe? (thewire)

 https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences/where-is-consciousness/?

PADA: Yes, as a matter of fact everything that exists is conscious, because the source of all that exists is also conscious -- and the source pervades His creation. ys pd  

Gaura Purnima (ISKCON Bangalore) VIDEO

 https://www.facebook.com/ISKCONBangaloreTemple/videos/290687579321095

Prayers Needed for Pundarika Das and Kancanbala Devi

DD: Please pray for my godbrother Pundarika prabhu ACBSP. He’s been in the hospital for the last few days, he was brought in with difficulty breathing. And has been diagnosed as having pneumonia, although the doctors do not know the cause of it yet, and are still doing tests. 

He is one of the early disciples of His Divine Grace, and was on the Nama Hatta Sankirtana parties in the early days with Gurukripa, and helped raise a lot laxmi to build Sri Dhama Mayapur in its early stages. He’s a dear friend of mine, and is a very sweet devotee with great a love for Srila Prabhupada. Thanks in advance for all my Facebook friends, who will kindly pray for his recovery to good health, so he can do more service for Srila Prabhupada. 

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Your Prayers are Needed for Her Grace Kanchanbala Dasi (ACBSP)

Dear Devotees,
Hare Krsna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Kindly pray for my godsister and dear friend, Her Grace Kanchanbala dasi, the wife of Madhusudan das, in San Diego, California (U.S.). She fell some weeks ago and broke several bones and has experienced severe pain. Presently, she is going through Physical Therapy which is enabling her to now walk with a cane. Her lovely daughter, Chintamani, is assisting as her caregiver at home.

Kanchanbala Prabhu joined the Krsna consciousness movement in 1967 at the age of 16 at ISKCON's first temple at Matchless Gifts Storefront in New York City. She is a very dear disciple of our beloved Srila Prabhupada. Please send her your blessings and join us in prayer for her full recovery. Thank you!

Always your servant,

Sangita devi dasi 

Kanchanbala DD

[PADA: It is a fact many of our first generation devotees are getting older, many are in ill condition, many are departed -- or departing soon. It is unfortunate that ISKCON really has hardly any facility for these retired folks to live in a holy place with some sort of senior care facility. Oh I forgot, that facility was reserved for the elite leaders. They get a retirement facility, free housing and health care, servants etc. -- the peons, ok not so much. Hence -- evidently -- Kanchanbala is getting mainly help from her daughter, not so much from the society overall. 

I got into a testy discussion some years ago with Madhusudan das about why he is wrong to try to promote GBC gurus, and to advise ISKCON youth to surrender to these bogus gurus. And he sort of blocked me from then on. That is what a lot people are gradually starting to realize: there has been SOME LEVEL of dissent from the oppressors ALL ALONG, but our dissent is often ignored, suppressed, placed in the trash pile, all to the peril of ISKCON citizens and especially its children. 

Anyway, we wish everyone well and hope for their best outcomes. There is not really much value in holding a grudge at this stage. Everyone did what they did, and will have to be accountable for their own situations. Srila Prabhupada says: false gurus go to the lowest regions, and so do their associated cheer leading supporters. That means, the supporters share in the karma of the false gurus they promote. That means, shastra itself pretty much explains the whole situation for us. 

My neighbor's giant pit bull jumps up and down behind the fence -- barking his head off -- when I walk by, but then the little teeny terrier comes out of the other house to defend me by barking at the pit bull. That little dog has more sense of defending Vaishnavas than does most of the devotees in the ISKCON orbit. It is what it is.

ys pd] 

Vancouver Prabhupadanugas Gaura Purnima (VIDEO)

 https://www.facebook.com/vancouverkrishnabalaram/videos/10158885897196251

Franklin Graham Insulted Over Vaccine Comments

Jesus has blessed -- The Vaccine Warp Speed Leader?

https://news.yahoo.com/pro-trump-evangelical-advised-getting-094501092.html

https://www.ecumenicalnews.com/article/franklin-graham-draws-flak-after-promoting-vaccine-and-saying-he-thinks-jesus-would-too/60850.htm

PADA: Evangelical preacher Franklin Graham advocated for his flock to get the virus vaccine. But why? Because evidently -- Jesus -- and the former USA president wanted us to. Same "former president" that many of these Christians had ALREADY hand selected as their leader. 

Yes, the former president has also been a huge advocate of the vaccine process (Mr. Trump). Many Christians already pretty much claimed Mr. Trump has been sent by Jesus -- to allegedly "Make America Great." Let us get everyone vaccinated to make the USA great! 

Fine! OK their hand selected leader, supposedly authorized by the Church and Jesus, had all along advocated for "warp speed" vaccine development -- for basically having the entire USA adult population vaccinated. They were all glorifying the leader of the warp speed vaccine idea as "blessed by heaven."  

Ooops! Not so fast! Right away many Christians started to rebel, saying terrible things about Mr. Graham in the comments section! 

* He is serving the agenda of Satan! 

* He has sold his soul to the big pharma corporations!

* He is trying to use medical experiments on the innocent -- which is part of the Satanic deep state Cabal that is ruining the world! 

* Franklin Graham is a secret agent for the global NWO elites! 

* Satan wants to change your DNA -- into to his DNA! (And why would Satan not want to do that?) 

Of course a number of the nasty comments contained -- not so kind -- expletives and cuss words that we would rather not post here. Bottom line: The main complaint is -- Mr. Graham should not claim to know what Jesus wants -- or does not want (except when Jesus wants Mr. Trump to be the president). Ooops, I almost forgot, the person authorized by Jesus (Mr. Trump) has been the world's biggest exponent of the vaccine.

There you have it folks!

(A) Jesus wanted Mr. Trump to be the president -- so he could get everyone vaccinated.

(B) And the vaccine is the agenda of ... wait for it, Satan!

Needless to say, many ordinary common folks on Tik Tok, religion sceptics, atheistic web sites (and many others) are having a field day with all this contradiction. It basically means, the Christians as a group have no clue what their policy is on major subjects of importance for their members. They are fighting their own shadow. 

Our vaccine program has been ordained by Jesus, but also -- Satan -- at the same time! Sheesh! They have two mutually exclusive ideas on topics of major social importance for their own people. Thus, hardly no one could actually follow them -- even if they wanted to since -- since self evidently -- one cannot serve both Jesus and Satan at the same time. 

So this is unfortunately making religious people look just a little bit kooky -- looney tunes. How can the church promote something "authorized by God" and simultaneously "authorized by Satan." Maybe the Church would be better off not wading into politics and medicine? 

And one of the college atheist's clubs says, this is all great for recruiting atheists on the college campus because, we can easily show people that the Christians are -- ok maybe just a little bit -- out of their minds. They cannot even deliberate a unified decision on a generic medical problem going on in their own world properly, never mind decide on what happens in God's world in heaven.  

Our medical tech neighbors work in a hospital and they all got the vaccine there, and now the staff is not hardly getting sick and dying. OK so maybe it helps, maybe not, but to say we know one way or the other because JESUS told us, its a little silly. Sorry, Jesus is not telling you what to do here, it is out of your league.

This is also what happens in ISKCON:

(A) The GBC are a Satanic child molesting cult!

(B) Therefore, let us promote and / or worship the GBC's enablers, apologists, cheer leaders, shastra writers, legal defense team members, bucket boys, BFFs, various shastra Advisory Committee (SAC) folks, various collaborating associates, people voted into their system like Bhakti Vikas swami; other advisory parties such as the the Sridhara Maharaja folks / Narayan Maharaja folks / Gaura Govinda Maharaja folks et al. 

Let us not worship Satan, let us instead let us worship the hand maidens, cheer leaders, facilitators, enablers, bucket boys, advisors, groupies, hangers on, sycophants, and help mates of Satan! Yep, we need to get rid of Satan, by worship of the promoters of Satan? And we need to give the vaccine because that is what Jesus wants, simultaneously get rid of it -- as Satanic? OK the upshot is, the religious people look like -- nut cases. They should not mix religion with these topics. 

Prahladananda swami says the GBC is wrong to call the shots on the vaccine because they are foolish and speculating, at the same time he says the GBC are God's successors and gurus -- i.e. equals to Jesus. OK to the average person, this is called nutty insanity. The people who are bogus speculators are not authorized by Jesus, nor equals to Jesus, and this is known to every sensible person. 

And to you devotees who kept prodding me to promote Mr. Trump (you know who you are!), at the same time asking me to promote saying that the vaccine is Satanic, you are evidently being influenced by this mob. You need to stay away from these topics, it is out of your capacity. Never mind it is speculation, never mind you are fighting with your own shadow. ys pd 

Happy Gaura Purnima!

HAPPY GAURA PŪRNIMĀ!

(the advent of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu)

In Bhagavad-gītā 11.53 Kṛṣṇa makes a surprising statement. He says that He cannot be known by practice of penance or charity, nor even by worship or study of the Vedas.

Really? One can’t know God through worship or study of scripture? That’s right. Worship & scriptural study simply awards the devotee with a love for God that is weakened by the mood of awe & reverence. Kṛṣṇa‘s heart is not melted by such compromised love.

In the next verse (11.54) Kṛṣṇa reveals that He can be known in truth by those who engage in pure, unalloyed, loving devotional service—that is, love which is not weakened by majesty, awe & reverence.

Despite Kṛṣṇa’s instructions for us to surrender unto Him alone & to be His pure devotee (18.66, 9.34), the world still is inclined to worship God with reverence. But if such love doesn’t melt the heart of Kṛṣṇa, it also cannot fully satisfy the heart of the devotee.

To remedy this problem Kṛṣṇa again appeared ~500 years ago as Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, a combined form of Kṛṣṇa & Śrīmatī Rādhārānī, in order to freely distribute the most highly elevated type of love of God—a love so pure that it completely captures Kṛṣṇa—which is found not in Vaikuṇṭha but only in Kṛṣṇaloka, or Goloka Vṛndāvana.

He taught that this love could be awakened by the simple process of chanting the 

Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra:

Hare Kṛṣṇa Hare Kṛṣṇa
Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa Hare Hare
Hare Rāma Hare Rāma
Rāma Rāma Hare Hare

Thus Lord Caitanya’s appearance is the most important appearance of the Supreme Lord in this world, for without Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s mercy humankind would never achieve the highest status of God realization—pure Kṛṣṇa consciousness.

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Text 24: The Lord abandoned walking on the well-known public road and went instead along a bypass. He thus kept the city of Kaṭaka on His right as He entered the forest.
Text 25: When the Lord passed through the solitary forest chanting the holy name of Kṛṣṇa, the tigers and elephants, seeing Him, gave way.
Text 26: When the Lord passed through the jungle in great ecstasy, packs of tigers, elephants, rhinoceros and boars came, and the Lord passed right through them.
Text 27: Balabhadra Bhaṭṭācārya was very much afraid to see them, but by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s influence, all the animals stood to one side.
Text 28: One day a tiger was lying on the path, and Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, walking along the path in ecstatic love, touched the tiger with His feet.
Text 29: The Lord said, “Chant the holy name of Kṛṣṇa!” The tiger immediately got up and began to dance and to chant “Kṛṣṇa! Kṛṣṇa!”
Text 30: Another day, while Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu was bathing in a river, a herd of maddened elephants came there to drink water.
Text 31: While the Lord was bathing and murmuring the Gāyatrī mantra, the elephants came before Him. The Lord immediately splashed some water on the elephants and asked them to chant the name of Kṛṣṇa.
Text 32: The elephants whose bodies were touched by the water splashed by the Lord began to chant “Kṛṣṇa! Kṛṣṇa!” and dance and sing in ecstasy.
Text 33: Some of the elephants fell to the ground, and some screamed in ecstasy. Seeing this, Balabhadra Bhaṭṭācārya was completely astonished.
Text 34: Sometimes Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu chanted very loudly while passing through the jungle. Hearing His sweet voice, all the does came near Him.
Text 35: Hearing the Lord’s great vibration, all the does followed Him left and right. While reciting a verse with great curiosity, the Lord patted them.
Text 36: “ ‘Blessed are all these foolish deer because they have approached Mahārāja Nanda’s son, who is gorgeously dressed and is playing on His flute. Indeed, both the does and the bucks worship the Lord with looks of love and affection.’ ”
Text 37: While Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu was passing through the jungle, five or seven tigers came. Joining the deer, the tigers began to follow the Lord.
Text 38: Seeing the tigers and deer following Him, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu immediately remembered the land of Vṛndāvana. He then began to recite a verse describing the transcendental quality of Vṛndāvana.
Text 39: “ ‘Vṛndāvana is the transcendental abode of the Lord. There is no hunger, anger or thirst there. Though naturally inimical, human beings and fierce animals live together there in transcendental friendship.’ ”
Text 40: When Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu said “Chant ‘Kṛṣṇa! Kṛṣṇa!’ ” the tigers and deer began to chant “Kṛṣṇa!” and dance.
Text 41: When all the tigers and does danced and jumped, Balabhadra Bhaṭṭācārya saw them and was struck with wonder.
Text 42: Indeed, the tigers and deer began to embrace one another, and touching mouths, they began to kiss.
Text 43: When Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu saw all this fun, He began to smile. Finally He left the animals and continued on His way.
Text 44: Various birds, including the peacock, saw Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu and began to follow Him, chanting and dancing. They were all maddened by the holy name of Kṛṣṇa.
Text 45: When the Lord loudly chanted “Haribol!” the trees and creepers became jubilant to hear Him.
Text 46: Thus all living entities in the forest of Jhārikhaṇḍa — some moving and some standing still — became maddened by hearing the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṇa vibrated by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu.
Text 47: In all the villages through which the Lord passed and in all the places He rested on His journey, everyone was purified and awakened to ecstatic love of God.
Texts 48-49: When someone heard the chanting of the holy name from the mouth of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and someone else heard this chanting from that second person, and someone again heard this chanting from the third person, everyone in all countries became a Vaiṣṇava through such disciplic succession. Thus everyone chanted the holy name of Kṛṣṇa and Hari, and they danced, cried and smiled.
Text 50: The Lord did not always manifest His ecstasy. Being afraid of a great assembly of people, the Lord kept His ecstasy concealed.
Text 51: Although Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu did not manifest His natural ecstatic love, everyone became a pure devotee simply by seeing and hearing Him.
Text 52: In this way, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu personally toured Bengal, East Bengal, Orissa and the southern countries, and He delivered all kinds of people by spreading Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Text 53: When Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu came to Jhārikhaṇḍa on His way to Mathurā, He found that the people there were almost uncivilized and were devoid of God consciousness.
Text 54: Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu gave even the Bheels an opportunity to chant the holy name and come to the platform of ecstatic love. Thus He delivered all of them. Who has the power to understand the transcendental pastimes of the Lord?
Text 55: When Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu passed through the Jhārikhaṇḍa forest, He took it for granted that it was Vṛndāvana. When He passed over the hills, He took it for granted that they were Govardhana.
Text 56: Similarly, whenever Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu saw a river, He immediately accepted it as the river Yamunā. Thus while in the forest He was filled with great ecstatic love, and He danced and fell down crying.

https://vedabase.io/en/library/cc/madhya/17/

Dasaratha Dasa VS GBC Crooks (Audio)

 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IXs2SexTEJG2B2pBlueaHZy9IRcRqS3L/view

PADA: If you press "play anyway" it starts. Very long, but there are a lot of insight gems into "ISKCON GBC think" here. ys pd 

Criminalizing Prabhupada's Worship: Bad Precedent (M Dasi)

How did worship of Srila Prabhupada

Become a crime? 

PADA: M Dasi was speaking to PADA editor on video chat, and she was saying how alarming it is that the GBC has been making Srila Prabhupada's worship into a deviation, and worse -- a criminal deviation. The proof is, the people who want to worship Srila Prabhupada can expect to be shunned, vilified, banned, beaten, maybe even assassinated -- but also -- sued in court by the GBC program -- due to the ISKCON GBC's idea that worship of Srila Prabhupada is some sort of heinous crime. 

Of course criminalizing the worship of Krishna's pure devotee is basically the same thing as, or at least parallels, criminalizing the worship of Krishna. How are they different really -- since they are one process? So! We both agreed, the only way their program works is -- by vicious repression -- otherwise most people would never worship the GBC's debauchee's guru process -- unless it was being forced forward by cheating and goonda-ism.

So the GBC has spent maybe $20,000,000 suing the Prabhupada devotees in the Delhi Supreme court, to stop the worship of the acharya, and to kick out the thousands of participants in the Prabhupada worship program. Yep, there are not enough empty temples already! M Dasi said it is clear folks like Bhakti Vikas swami are on the side of the oppressors, because he worships the leader of the repression and lawsuits process aka Jayapataka swami, as his sannyasa guru. And BVKS also regularly says the ritviks are bogus (those who worship Srila Prabhupada) evidently because they are not worshiping his sexual predator illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's program.

All this is an extraordinary legal expense. Allegedly, the only other bigger expense program is -- for their TVOP building. So criminalizing the worship of Srila Prabhupada has been a huge top shelf priority for them, so much so they will donate millions of dollars to fund lawsuits to suppress the worship of the acharya. Of course they already decided it would be better to be sued for $400,000,000 for mass molesting in public court -- than listen to those of us alerting them to the molesting issue. Legal money is not a problem for these guys, never mind many devotees are destitute and living in poor accommodation etc. Millions here, millions there, let us feed lawyers and not the devotees of Krishna.    

And at the start of the 1997 lawsuit, the GBC folks did not even hide their agenda, they said their object is to have these Srila Prabhupada devotees "put in jail." In other words, they want to instill fear, anxiety and dread in anyone who wants to worship Srila Prabhupada. Of course, suing Srila Prabhupada's worshipers is way more sophisticated than their original plan -- to ban, beat, sue and maybe assassinate us. We have to give them credit for using less violent goonda-ism these days.   

So the GBC club folks are getting a little more refined, but their aim and object is always the same, to suppress if not forbid the worship of the acharya; or to make his worship a difficult -- if not dangerous task, so as to discourage worship of the acharya. Of course demons have always tried to suppress the worship of Krishna and His acharyas, really not a new process. Gaudiya Matha deviants also did the same thing, spent extravagant amounts on lawsuits.  

Initially, the cheating, sub-violent threats, sometimes physical assaults and orchestrated murders plan worked pretty good for the GBC's folks, but only in the beginning. Eventually that lead to Federal Fraud lawsuits, police SWAT raids, various felony arrests, all sorts of bad media publicity, and so on. So they had to drop their criminal suppression process to a large extent. 

Although it is also true, sometimes even now odious threats still filter out of their program from time to time. And thus the Prabhupadanugas are treated badly, if not threatened. The good news is, these odious statements are being posted more and more in various public sites -- so people can beware of these violent goondas.

Anyway! After the violent suppression stage, they switched gears to legal suppression stage. They decided to take the Prabhupada devotees to court in massive expensive lawsuits, to continue their threats and intimidation process, so they could stop the worship of the acharya by any other means. 

And it has worked out pretty good for them, people are still leaving ISKCON left, right and center ... because they do not want to try to participate in ISKCON -- knowing they could be banned -- if not sued -- if they try to worship the acharya in ISKCON, or in the name of ISKCON. So the purge of Srila Prabhupada worship is still in full force, at least in most sectors of ISKCON.   

M Dasi is very concerned that all of this creates a very dangerous precedent. The people who want to worship the acharya are being banned, beaten and maybe even assassinated, and to add insult to injury -- sued -- because the GBC wants to make worship of the acharya a forbidden and illegal and act. This has already been done many times in Vedic history, many times the demons would stop the brahmanas from making their worship, sacrifices and pooja. It is a common technique among the demoniac.    

So now M Dasi is saying this shows they can only win by using oppression, if not violence, if not legal tricks, because otherwise their program of worship of pedophiles and deviants as messiahs would never be accepted. She thinks that is the reason folks like Bhakti Vikas swami have fled to India, because he is shielded there under the GBC's goonda and legal protection process. And that is in fact why most of them have fled to set up operations there -- or in former Soviet States etc., where they can exploit people who do not know the history. 

M Dasi was also astonished that when the GBC / BVKS folks argue with PADA, they have no clue about this history of any of this. They just say, this did not happen, that did not happen etc. because they are not aware of almost any of what happened. In sum, they are keeping these people in the dark, so they can be exploited. I think M Dasi is correct. Making the worship of the acharya a crime punished by banning, beating, maybe assassinations -- and now lawsuits -- is really a bad trend and tendency. It has suppressed ISKCON, and will continue to suppress ISKCON until it is fixed.

And woe unto those who suppress the worship of God and His pure devotee. We really don't have to remind folks about the dire warnings from shastra about what happens to people who harass, if not attack Krishna's devotees with contrived banning, if not violence -- or bogus lawsuits. Anyone who stops the worship of God and His pure devotees does so -- at extreme peril to their future lives.

Yes, very bad precedent. If the GBC suppresses the Vaishnavas, that will encourage many others to suppress the Vaishnavas. That will make life harder for the Vaishnavas, of course that is the goal of the asuras since time began. ys pd 

I love the Molester Messiah's Club's leaders.

Any questions?

Call for ISKCON NGO Investigation in India (Bhakta JJ)

 http://socialjustice.nic.in/userview/index?mid=73590

PADA: Thanks Bhakta J J for your question about "why are bogus ISKCON NGO's (charities) allowed -- at all -- in India? And "should we not join forces with the many government agencies there -- to have ISKCON and / or their off shoots investigated, since the government might help us with an ISKCON NGO investigation"? 

That is a good question, and I think you should begin by first obtaining as many copies of the official NGO corporate documents of various ISKCON projects / spin offs / so-called Eco-farms etc. there, as much as possible. However even if you just get one or two -- that would suffice, because they are all similar. 

Yes, you should probably focus on Mayapur first. Then you could make a list of all the centers who follow Mayapur. Some of these charities might claim to be not part of ISKCON, but we could connect them since their names are found in GBC reports and other associated internal ISKCON documents. Yes, I can help with that. 

I think we could easily find they are not following their stated legally submitted aim, object and purpose. For example:

(A) Teaching little children in India that "Krishna's guru successors" are often debauchees caught "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children" is probably not found as one of the legal aims and stated purposes of any of their corporations there.

Neither is:

(B) Burying pedophiles in samadhis.

(C) Burying pornography swamis in samadhis.

(D) Saying that is it common for Krishna's acharyas to fall down into: sexual predator behaviors; drinking Vodka; smoking pot; offering LSD to the shalagram; orchestrating mass child molesting; and orchestrating murders of dissenters etc. 

(E) I think you make a good point -- ISKCON in India is suing people by spending perhaps $20,000,000 -- to criminalize and prohibit -- the worship of the actual acharya of ISKCON Srila Prabhupada. There is a program afoot there to actually make it a crime to worship the bona fide acharya -- and not to worship their pedophile messiah's club. 

So yes, you are right. They want to terrorize innocent people with giant lawsuits -- should they decide to worship the actual acharya Srila Prabhupada, and not worship their illicit sex with men, women and children acharya's program. I think we should simply submit that they wanted everyone to worship their "pedophiles as acharyas process," which resulted in a $400,000,000 mass child molesting lawsuit -- to which they pleaded "no contest."

Then, the leaders of that process have mostly fled to India to avoid scrutiny and responsibility, and to start bogus charities there. And yes, I see no reason why people like Bhakti Vikas swami (and / or his legal structure there) should not be included in your investigation. He is one of the original hand maidens of the founder fathers of the pedophile messiah's program. He is still saying we are bogus because we want to worship the factual acharya and not his sexual predator / anus sex epidemic / "guru chain" from the lowest regions of the universe. 

Yes, I think you are right, Jagat Guru swami got into some legal trouble there perhaps for that very reason, he was evidently not following the stated purpose of his organization. And other organizations are getting busted all the time there, why not these guys? You may be onto something. I think the agencies themselves have investigators and etc. so they can perhaps do some of the leg work for us.

Anyway yes, I will help you with any form of investigation. If you can send their legal papers to me -- I can analyze them myself and send you back my comments and notes. Or I can read the documents out loud with comments and make an audio file to send you. I think you are right, the people who want to criminalize worship of the real acharya, and make it "legal" to worship their sexual predator and child molesting guru program, should be noted by the government and try to get them involved. Agreed. 

Yes, get the names of some of the NGO team investigators and / or their secretaries so I can send things to them to verify our claims. Good idea.  

ys pd  angel108b@yahoo.com

Arrest In Thallium Poisoning (Indiatoday)

 https://www.indiatoday.in/crime/story/delhi-police-arrests-man-for-poisoning-wife-in-laws-with-thallium-1783539-2021-03-25

[PADA: There is a long history of people using poison in India against political or business opponents, and in worse case scenarios -- against relatives, spouses and sometimes even their own children etc. It happens. 

Way back a long time ago in India very young girls were given poison -- until they became immune to it. And then later -- when they were attractive young ladies -- their poison filled bodies were sent on a mission to the opposing kingdom to entice and -- kiss -- the opposing king. OK this was called "the kiss of death." 

At the time of Srila Prabhupada's departure, there was a conversation about gurus being poisoned by ambitious students who wanted to take over. Rajneesh supposedly complained of being poisoned. And even at the time of Krishna, Bhima was given poison; Putana witch was using poison; Kaliya snake was using poison. Before that -- the churning of the milk ocean produced poison -- Prahlad was given poison, and so on and so forth. 

It is something well known over there as a technique to take out opponents or even family members. Why wouldn't similarly ambitious students of Srila Prabhupada also poison him, to take over the assets of the institution? We think they would, they could, and they did. Thallium is another heavy metal, used in rat poison, and is the same type of heavy metal compound found in Srila Prabhupada's hair sample. 

Did we forget to mention, people who use poison on others are subject to severe punishment on the planet of Yamaraja? ys pd]    

https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2012/06/srila-prabhupada-poisoning-confirmation.html

ISKCON Must Include Ritviks (Bir Krishna Goswami)

[PADA: Yup. There are more and more people who want to worship the pure devotee. Gradually, more numbers -- than there are people who want to worship conditioned souls. 

One of the former Bir Krishna followers told me he saw the meat eating mother of Bir Krishna on his farm. She was walking around also smoking cigarettes. Yet his followers were falling on the ground offering her obeisance as "the mother of a pure devotee." That is when this follower left. And then he contacted PADA to say, "thanks for your promoting Srila Prabhupada. I decided, PADA is right and they are wrong." He also thinks Bir Krishna and Urmila are way to rosy cosy with one another, but that is another story. 

In sum, it is a gradual process. They lose a brick, we gain a brick, so their house dismantles, while ours gets built. And that is why they are considering including us, because after some time -- there will be mostly "us" and not many of "them." Do the math!

A follower of Bhakti Vikas swami recently wrote to tell me -- BVKS has changed, and he is now with PADA! He also wants to leave ISKCON and form his own program. OK, but BVKS still says: worship of the pure devotee is "the ritvik deviation"; worship of the pure devotee "is not in our tradition"; and Bangalore should have been sued by Jayapataka for "deviating" -- evidently not worshiping pedophiles as messiahs is "a deviation." 

BVKS never explains why "not worshiping pedophiles as Krishna's acharyas" is "a deviation"? And why should ISKCON spend $20,000,000 suing Bangalore, when there are so many poor and desperate devotees in need of financial support, and so many books are out of print etc.? 

BVKS's explanation? Sounds of crickets, no response.

So we told the BVKS follower -- NO! BVKS has not "LEFT ISKCON." He is still with the GBC of ISKCON, because they ALL suppress the worship of the pure devotee as "a deviation." Why? Self evidently! So they can cram their pedophile messiahs program down ISKCON's throat -- and get many of "Krishna's kids" abused and molested. And have us "dissenters" beaten and assassinated? There does not seem to be any better explanation? The BVKS follower has not wrote me back yet, let us see how he explains these things and we will post if he does. 

I have seen some transcripts of a forum of "Krishna's kids" -- that would make any normal person barf and gag over the absolutely horrific ways these children were treated. BVKS is part of the regime and vicious machine that has treated ISKCON's children this way, and so is Bir Krishna. They need to not only adopt the worship of pure devotee's process, they have to explain why they have supported this child torture regime up to now. We also need accountability in addition to changing to the proper system of pooja. ys pd     

I am Done With Radhanath Swami! (ISKCON)

"The GBC Guru Program is like a sinking Titanic"

"Get off and save yourself"

[PADA: Former Radhanath disciple has wrote to PADA to apologize for challenging us over the years. No problem, the GBC's propaganda machine is very powerful and it hi-jacks all kinds of nice people all the time. The important thing is, now MORE and MORE people are waking up. Yes, lets worship Srila Prabhupada as the guru and not these jokers.] 

HIDDEN LIFE OF RADHANATH SWAMI - as told by his former disciple ***** d. d.

"I don't know how i was able to hold on to him being my guru for 20 years. I feel like he is a big demon who has cast a spell over us to make us trust and believe that he is a servant of Krishna. That spell is being broken now Prabhu!

SOME OF MY REMEMBERANCES OF HIS DEALINGS: I always had a thing for Silas and when rns came to Los Angeles one time, I had given him a letter, to ask if I could keep 2 Silas that someone had given me. It was very important to me, so when I got darsan with him I asked if he had read the letter, and he was with Giriraj Swami, and he said, 'No, I opened all the letters but did not read them,' then he laughed. (I realized he was looking for money and personal checks made out to him -- and the letters meant little to him).

[PADA: Yes, Mukunda swami was doing the same basic thing. Many people were writing to him to complain about many ISKCON problems, perhaps child molesting and other exploiting, and he told his secretary he tosses these letters into the trash. And Giriraj swami, oh oh, another member of their club.]

SOME OF MY REMEMBERANCES OF HIS DEALINGS: Most stuff happened while we lived in an apartment which was about 2 blocks away from the Los Angeles temple, because we lived there from 2002 to 2009. You know Cher the Singer? Well, when she was pregnant with her son Elijah Blue, Svavasa Das the LA temple president gave her a Bhagavad-gita, maybe at the airport, i don't remember where. 

Anyway some god-family members were preaching to him and rns invited him to my apartment to have lunch with him. The whole time rns was just asking questions about him -- how his childhood was -- and what was his mother like and all that. When Blue would ask for spiritual advise rns would not say anything except, I just want to know all about you! That was weird to me, here this person is asking for guidance and something about Krishna and rns is just fascinated with his karmie, power and influence. He just wanted to be advertised as being with a famous person.

SOME OF MY REMEMBERANCES OF HIS DEALINGS: Another thing that happened that totally freaked me out was -- one night we invited rns to give an open lecture at our apartment and many people came. One Guru-kuli was there with his little 3 yr old daughter. When she saw rns she opened her legs there in front of everyone and started slapping her privates over and over. And her father and rns just kept laughing at her. They went into the dining room and I looked in and she was now laying on the floor still doing that -- as rns was standing over her closely. It freaked me out, and I was falsely hoping that her father would make her stop, but I did not see that happen. What kind of people is he attracting?

SOME OF MY REMEMBERANCES OF HIS DEALINGS: 2 people I have talked with have seen him shapeshift into a lizard demon thing. I heard there was a third person in NY, but i have not talked with them, so I can not verify that one. Yet it is odd that some people think he is a shape shifting demon. Why would they think that way?

[PADA: A psychic devotee said he saw a demon gargoyle sitting on Tamal's shoulder, and the demon was moving Tamal like a puppet. Same thing, why would anyone see these people as demons, or controlled by demons?]

SOME OF MY REMEMBERANCES OF HIS DEALINGS: In 2009 we bought a house in Northern California 8 hours away from LA. I could only see rns if I drove down to San Francisco when he visited there. He was a very close friend to his God brother Vaisesika dasa. One time I met rns at the temple there in Silicon Valley and he pulled me aside with two other women, and he kept telling one of the ladies that she was an angel, he said that so many times that i wanted to throw-up. 

She was very beautiful, but for a sanyasi to keep saying it to her was throwing us all out of our minds. He never spoke a word about KC to us, just mundane angel BS. I felt like I had wasted all of my time to drive all that way just to see him. Pretty much lost my faith in him at that point, but somehow I kept hanging on thinking -- maybe because he is transcendental, he can act like that. Of course later on it was evident he was talking about mundane things much of the time. 

ANOTHER ONE OF MY MEMORIES: One day back in about 2001 or so, when I was living in the Los Angeles Bramacharini ashram, rns caught me alone in the gift store upstairs after hours after i had turned off all the lights and he startled me. Then he started asking me -- why do all the guys want to be with you, everybody is coming to me and talking about you. 

It felt really creepy because I was taught that a woman and man should never be alone in a situation like that, So i just started telling him yes they want to be with me until they learn that I want to be celibate. That was a big alarm to me and yup, I kept that to myself. Thinking maybe I was in the wrong somehow, maybe he was just worried about me...No, he was trying to get a sense as to whether or not he could get sex -- I think. It is also not his place as a sannyasa to ask a woman about those things anyway, it is wrong."

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Did I forget to mention? The ISKCON "Child Protection Office (CPO) is a front, it is really the "predator gurukula teacher protection office." Look what happened in Vrindavan! If you want a real report, don't ask your ISKCON GBC mouth pieces like Braja Bihari or Hari Sauri. 

Ask a gurukuli like Bhima Karma. He'll tell you what the so-called CPO really does. What deception! What a shame! The gurukulis, the little people of ISKCON, disgruntled members, ex-members, blooped members and so many others need to be heard and taken seriously. PEASE ADD YOUR STORY PRABHUS!

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AD: How To EASILY Find Out - IN ONE SECOND - If Your Guru Belongs To A Demon Putana Clan? Just look at a photo of the assembled GBC!

"The bona-fide teacher of religion is neither any PRODUCT of nor the FAVOURER of, any MECHANICAL SYSTEM." Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur -- from the essay "Putana"

NOT RUBBER STAMP. THEN YOU'LL NOT BE EFFECTIVE .**YOU CAN CHEAT** , BUT IT WILL NOT BE EFFECTIVE . 

Srila Prabhupada: “Hm.” [agrees] Tamala Krishna: “…but not now”. 

Srila Prabhupada: “Yes. I shall choose some guru. I shall say ” Now you become acarya. You become authorized.’ I retire completely. But the training must be COMPLETE.” 

Tamala Krishna: “The process of purification must be there. 

Srila Prabhupada: O Yes, must be there, Caitanya Mahaprabhu wants that. Amara ajnaya guru hana. “You become guru.” (laughs) But be qualified. Little thing, strictly follower… 

Tamala Krishna: NOT RUBBER STAMP. 

Srila Prabhupada: THEN YOU'LL NOT BE EFFECTIVE .YOU CAN CHEAT , BUT IT WILL NOT BE EFFECTIVE. Just see our Gaudiya Matha. Everyone wanted to become guru, and a small temple and “guru.” What kind of guru?” No publication, no preaching, simply bring some foodstuff… My Guru Maharaja said, “joint mess” a place for eating and sleeping amar amar ara takana: Joint mess. He said this.(RC April 22, 1977. Bombay, India.)

(now dead) PUTANA GURU ADMITS TO BEING ONE -- A VERY MUCH CONFUSED SLY RUBBER-STAMPED PUTANA :

“After Harikesa fell down in 1998, in 1999 I proposed that IT’S OBVIOUS that WE ARE GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION .” (Bhakti Caru swami, Toronto meeting, 20/7/2003)

Note: Let me spell it out for you my dear friend: Putana Guru is telling you that they are dragging you in a W-R-O-N-G D-I-R-E-C-T-I-O-N!! 

RD: Dragging us down to hell, that is what they really are saying. At least sometimes they admit they are taking us down ... and not up. Yes, we told you we are taking you to Vaikuntha, hah hah, we cheated you. We are really taking you in the opposite direction, we are taking you down to the lowest and most obnoxious planets ... where we come from. Come join us -- in hell! 

AD: WHICH DIRECTION IS THAT? THOSE WHO MISLEAD PEOPLE GO TO HELL, AND THEIR FOLLOWERS GO WITH THEM! 

"LEADERS WHO HAVE FALLEN INTO IGNORANCE AND WHO MISLEAD PEOPLE BY DIRECTING THEM TO THE PATH OF DESTRUCTION [as described in the previous verse] are, in effect, BOARDING A STONE BOAT, AND SO TOO ARE THOSE WHO BLINDLY FOLLOW THEM. A STONE BOAT WOULD BE UNABLE TO FLOAT AND WOULD SINK IN THE WATER WITH ITS PASSENGERS . SIMILARLY , THOSE WHO MISLEAD PEOPLE GO TO HELL, AND THEIR FOLLOWERS GO WITH THEM . SB 6.7.14

DON'T RUIN YOUR LIFE BY FOLLOWING PUTANA APARADHI GURU!!

"As soon as these [sahajiya] people see the devotees, tears flow down from their eyes and hairs of their body stand on end. Sometimes, when they discuss the topics of the Lord, they fall unconscious. In a religious assembly, they support religious sentiments. Sometimes, they become fully absorbed in material enjoyment and act like madmen. THEY ARE NOT ONLY COMMITTING APARADHA AT THE FEET OF BHAKTI-DEVI BY TEACHING SUCH BEHAVIOR TO OTHER PEOPLE, BUT THEY ARE ALSO RUINING THEIR OWN LIVES. (Sajjana-toshani 8/10)

SD: "Similarly , those who mislead people go to hell, and their followers go with them !!! (Srila Prabhupada)

Thank you for this purport prabhu, although I really should be reading Srila Prabhupada's books daily and systematically !!! "The Criminal GBC'S of 1977 and all their blind followers, are a stone boat, sailing in a very "Dangerous Criminal Deviated Sinister Cabal Titanic Ship "!!! If they want to be sunk, who can check, ...... but we should not allow this to happen to Prabhupada's Sacred ISKCON !!!

Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 4 Chapter 28 Texts 48 and 50 purports ................
Utthistha Utthistha !!!
Please get up !!!
Please get up !!!
Get the blasted Criminals out of Prabhupada's Sacred ISKCON !!!

PP Dasi: I gotta stop looking at that GBC expose site. Its a cesspool of demented out of control lusty misfits parading as vaisnavas.

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***** Dasi: Thank you Prabhu, I have a fool-proof way of judging if someone is a real Vaisnava: if I make an offense to them, then the next morning I do not feel inclined to chant, then I immediately go to them and beg for mercy to forgive me. Since I have been releasing info about these deviants, my chanting has become ecstatic! Never been better! So, my conclusion is this: check for yourself using this method, if your chanting gets better after exposing someone who you think is a demon, then whala!

AD: Fantastic method indeed. Thanks for letting us know. While I was pitiful boot-licker and saliva sucker of tyrannical iskcon Putanas, I could hardly get up in the morning and my daily chanting was an excruciating chore. Let's just say that that's not an issue anymore by Krishna's grace. No alarm clock is required to help wake us up before brahma muhurta.

What can I ascribe that miracle to if not for having gotten rid of a blood sucking demonic rakshasa Putana presence in our life. Feeling any level of satisfaction or being content in any spere of life was not possible for us. There was always some kind of underlying feeling of doom and gloom awaiting and dissatisfaction was always present in our hearts.

It's very difficult to describe all this unless it is felt. Hearing from Srila Prabhupada saved us from his rakshasa so-called disciples and their dedicated servile minion asura hordes. I pray that everyone who joined only wishing to serve Srila Prabhupada but somehow got swindled can be saved from the hellish existence of serving blood-sucking Putana regime and form the hell that is awaiting after that. 

As for those shameless incorrigible ones who have joined with ulterior motives - let them go to hell! Hare Krishna! 

***** Dasi: Krishna was testing our sincerity Prabhu, You passed! dandavats!

 

[PADA: OK so the people who keep saying "no one pays any attention to PADA," are not correct. More people not only like what we say, they repeat what we say. Of course, even if we just save one person from going to hell along with the stone boat of the molester messiah's project, it is all worth it. 

Then again we have people saying -- lets remove PADA from the internet, so we can help keep poor souls stuck on the stone boat and sink, drown, die and go down to the planets of the false gurus. Yep that will help things! OK it will help the Satanic. Anyway, this person is now moving ahead and helping others, good progress.

ys pd]

Which Hare Krishna Community Is That? (D Dasi)

 

[PADA: Thanks D Dasi for your question about which "Hare Krishna Community" is which. And can we trust any? It is a little hard for people to keep track of all the off-shoots and spin off entities from ISKCON, especially -- what is their siddhanta, what are their names etc. Even official ISKCON itself is spinning itself off into different charity names and various name brands -- mainly to avoid paying lawsuits and so on and so forth. Then we have the Sridhara / Narayan Maharaja's / Gaudiya Matha's spin offs etc. 

As far as I know, the above (ISKCON friendly) people and the HKC Jaipur people are the main groups using the title "Hare Krishna Community" (HKC). If there are other Hare Krishna Community programs, we'd like to know who they are. 

Anyway! First of all, the above HKC advertises people like "His Divine Grace Srila Bhakti Tirtha swami Krishnapada." However, we do not think any of us neophytes should be using these types of titles, what to speak of "I am equal to Krishna's padas (lotus feet)." 

No, you are not equal to Krishna's feet, especially if you participate in the GBC's guru process. "Yes, as a matter of fact, my padas (feet) and Krishna's padas are the same in quality." Wow, how humble is that!  

Bhakti Tirtha swami has been a big supporter of the GBC's guru process, and particularly the New Vrndavan, Kirtanananda, Radhanath swami program -- and the whole dubious crew from there. So we have to ask ourselves -- how good is his discrimination -- from square one. Did he not know there was a lot of bad things going on at New Vrndavana? 

Did he not know the GBC gurus have been falling down left, right and center, if not orchestrating banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and even assassinations of Krishna devotees -- around their empire? We think he must have known all this was going on, and more, because he was associated with the big players.

The first disciple of Srila Prabhupada in UK was Kulashekara das, who was beaten mercilessly by a Bhakti Tirtha follower in DC, for his having doubts that the GBC's gurus are actually pure devotees. He was in the hospital in severe pain with many bruises and broken bones, and he never fully recovered. He lived a life of pain and suffering subsequently, and had to take a lot of pain medications for decades. 

He was then nearly homeless for many years, but fortunately he was taken in by some merciful devotees just a short time before he passed away. Otherwise he might have died with literally no one and nothing. That in sum is how the ISKCON society treats its martyrs -- those who are not only pioneers in ISKCON, but who are then beaten up later on by preaching that bogus people cannot be gurus.

Notice -- Kulashekara told me he was considered more or less an unwanted pariah after that incident. He told me that because he questions the GBC's guru program -- "I am a permanently marked man, they don't want me around." So Bhakti Tirtha was one of the vicious "enforcers" of -- "the enforced cult ritualistic worship of sexual predators and pedophiles as God's successors, messiahs and gurus program." And because he was one of the GBC's enforcers, he is rewarded as a glorious person, while people like Kulashekara are punished and pushed aside.   

Notice that in almost all of ISKCON, the oppressors are often glorified as saints. They have all sorts of annual celebrations and memorial ceremonies, but the oppressed like Kulashekara are not even given any public mention -- much less memorial celebration ceremonies. The victims are in sum "the tossed out and forgotten." 

Actually Kulashekara is among of the first wave of ISKCON martyrs. He was beaten and maybe died prematurely in pain -- fighting against the molester messiahs project. And that is why it is said -- a society that neglects its martyrs, forgets its own history, and is thus doomed to collapse due to forgetting its own historical  origins. And worse, a society that worships the oppressors who created its martyrs is even more destined to be condemned and doomed. 

Then we have the Hladini situation. Bhakti Tirtha sent her into a known civil war zone, knowing it was extremely dangerous. And she was hacked to death, but her female associate survived. And she told us that Bhakti Tirtha was having an affair with Hladini, and she wanted him to open up the relationship to the public, so he got rid of her intentionally to cover up the affair. Another martyr? And who knows how many more?

Bhakti Vikas swami and others ALSO preached against Bhakti Tritha's tinfoil hat crazy rants about: Egyptian Gods, the lost continent of Mu, subterranean demons, aliens taking human form, and so on and so forth. OK, the GBC knew he had a tendency to fly off the reservation in his lectures and wander into speculation land. Anyway, the list of his problems could do on here, but he was not qualified to be worship as an acharya and we think the above Hare Krishna Community is making a mistake advertising him.  

The other "Hare Krishna Community" is Dayalu Nitai's in Jaipur, and one of my associates said that the only reason these guys are famous or known at all, is because they wanted to "take down PADA. And have PADA removed from the internet"! Do they make a petition to take down and remove the GBC's guru program off the internet? Well nope! The molester messiah's program is a keeper!

And thus our exchanges exposed them on PADA's radar and put them on the map. First of all, we were advertising them because they claimed to be following the ritvik system. Then out of the blue, their "senior advisor" Prahlad das (Paul Coats UK) started sending me death threats, evidently from their location. OK that is criminal and illegal right out of the gate. Why are they harboring and facilitating criminals there? 

Prahlad fully admits he is working hand in glove with goondas from the pedophile messiahs club, and he says he wants to help his pedophile messiah's club goonda pals to do violence to me. Why is HKC Jaipur's "senior man" working hand in glove with the pedophile messiah's club goondas in the first place? Yep, it is always the same problem for me, the pedophile messiah's lovers club folks -- are always after me. 

Even the police told me that, I have no other enemies -- other than the GBC folks aka the pedophile messiah lovers club guys. The police told me they can see clearly -- no one else ON EARTH wants to kill you -- ok except for these pedophile messiah lover's club folks. So they not only worship pedophiles as their messiahs, they defend their worship of pedophiles with violence. What could go wrong here? Then these guys make pretend they do not know why children are getting molested left, right and center. 

I could have reported them to the police and FBI for making "international terrorist threats," but I am a nice guy after all and decided to let them skate. These HKC people are not too bright really. I ALREADY got stacks of death threats filed at the police station -- yep already -- adding another one to the pile -- changes nothing. Ever!

Then these guys made a video with Radhanath's cheer leader Bhakta das. And they also started quoting GBC's guru groupie and Bhavananda's hand maiden Hari Sauri -- as their "shiksha" authority. And they actually insisted I promote their video of GBC guru enablers and apologists. And they were infuriated I would not join them in advertising for the cheer leaders of the GBC's pedophile lover's club guru process. OK so when they said they are ritviks, they lied, it is really that simple. 

And then their pal Bhakta Peter says he does not think their promoting the cheer leaders and enablers of a pedophile sex worship program -- that mass molests children -- is "a big problem." OK what is "a big problem" for these guys? Right, the "big problem" is that some people are protesting their pedophile guru process.  

So we have tried to patch things up with them by making a peace proposal, but they are evidently not interested. In any case, they are a small program and they also burnt out some of my associates in India -- for much of the same reason, they behave like imperious tyrants with various other devotees. In sum, we cannot recommend either of these groups. Nice title, but where is the substance? ys pd  

https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2016/09/dayalu-nitai-hkc-jaipur-update.html

 

https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2018/05/peace-for-pada-and-hare-krishna.html

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2018/05/hkc-jaipur-rejects-padas-peace-proposal.html

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angel108b@yahoo.com

Bhakti Vikas Swami Attacks PADA's "Scathing" Writings! (Again)

[PADA: Thanks for this link SD! 

Oh no, PADA types are writing "scathing critiques of ISKCON" of the worst order! And on the public internet! Which is writing in the modes of ignorance! And! It is all being seen by newcomers who are Googling ISKCON and finding -- PADA. And worse, our idea that people should worship pure devotees -- and not: sexual predators, homosexuals, pedophiles, drunks, drug addicts, illicit sex with men, women and children; and / or criminals "does not offer anything positive." Hee hee! Wow, worship of pure devotees and not debauchees is -- not positive? Who knew! 

And worse, ISKCON folks never seem to respond to all this open criticism, which makes them look like -- dare we say it -- a cult! And yet BVKS is foremost on the list of people who avoid talking to us? He never does, he scrupulously avoids discussing anything with us. Although from time to time BVKS says worship of pure devotees is the ritvik deviation -- because worship of pure devotees is "not found in our tradition." Therefore we need to worship the BVKS lineage of sexual predators and their system of apologists and enablers, ok like BVKS. And / or we need to worship guys like Jayapataka, founder father of the illicit sex with men, women and children guru's parampara.  

OK, so ideally we should discuss internally -- agreed, but then we will be kicked out, if not banned, beaten, sued and maybe -- assassinated. There is no real internal discussion allowed, lets face it, or all of this would never have happened -- including all the mass child molesting which we protested early on, only to be booted out.  

The good news is, even the ISKCON folks know we are out there now because, as BVKS says, their own people are Googling us to see our sites. So that means we are having success. In any case, I am sorry to have to report this, but yes, as a matter of fact we are telling people to worship pure devotees and not molesters, deviants and crooks, and unfortunately, BVKS still thinks that is not "a positive message." OK what is a positive message then? He fails to tell us? 

Why is the BVKS process of worship of debauchees a good idea and message, and our idea of worship of pure devotees is a bad message? Someone tell us!, -- from the BVKS camp. They should tell us, what is the problem with our idea of worship of pure devotees -- and not -- the BVKS illicit sex with men, women and children guru process? Why is worship of pure devotees "not positive"? And how is BVKS program of worship of debauchees the positive idea? Can BVKS splain this once and for all? ys ps  

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Prahladananda Swami Criticizes ISKCON's "Vaccine Policy"

 

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[PADA: Prahladananda Swami is another person who seems to be preaching in the former Soviet states -- and other far flung locations -- and no so much in the West. Thus he avoids the aware and intelligent folks in the West who have rejected the GBC guru system. One GBC guru says he never visits the USA "to avoid the angry mobs." Well yes, people are angry that you folks destroyed Srila Prahbupada's 10,000 years planned mission, so a few of you guys could sit on big seats for a decade or so, a very short time.

Prahladananda Swami complains that most of the GBC guru folks are telling everyone to get vaccinated -- because they are getting big donations from life members who are working in a field where vaccines are being promoted. So the GBC gurus have to also promote the vaccines to appease their donors. OK, so the guru is a person who has to alter his preaching -- and ISKCON's health care policy -- and recommend things that might even be harmful (at least according to Prahladananda) to pacify donors? What kind of gurus are these? 

Meanwhile my medical tech neighbors have got the vaccine, and according to them, fewer medical staff are now getting severely ill while working in their hospital. So that could mean, the devotees as a group should not be speculating on the whole vaccine process at the present time, it is over our levels of expertise. Has Prahladananda asked these people what is their opinion? Evidently, nope. So he is wading into the field to give an opinion, just like the other leaders are doing. 

Meanwhile! A devotee is begging to find the same blood type for another devotee who is on life support to get a blood transfusion, this illness is not a joke. I am not personally recommending either getting or not getting the vaccine. People have to look at all the evidence, and their personal situations, and make their own decisions. 

For example, some devotees will have to get the vaccine to keep their jobs, since USA companies can demand their workers show proof they have it -- to stay employed. All kinds of factors will have to be weighed here -- for each individual. I do not think it is helping if some devotees will need to be vaccinated to keep their jobs, and then telling them -- not to bother having a job. 

Who is going to maintain these persons if they refuse to be employed? OK no one, so it is better not to meddle with their lives. We tell them not to bother having a job, but we do not give them an alternate support system. What good is that for these folks? It is always the same problem, drop your economic base, but we are not going to fill in the gap to support you. 

Meanwhile, the main issue is: how can Prahladananda swami support the GBC's guru process, knowing they are making all sorts of compromises with Sridhara Maharaja, Narayan Maharaja, the babajis, the Hindu process, and of course -- changing health policies -- to appease rich donors? How are these people gurus? And if they are gurus, how can Prahladananda be the chastising advisor to the gurus? The guru is the sum total of the demigods, therefore, he needs to be chastised by Prahladananda?    

Prahladananda says that the GBC's zonal gurus caused lots of confusion and lots of problems. Wow, so we should all worship the guru, because he is the source of confusion and all sorts of problems. Why would anyone want to participate in a religion where the guru is the source of grief, confusion, and problems? The Vedas say we should worship the guru to free ourselves from problems, and Prahladananda reverses the whole process, and says we should worship the guru  -- who is the SOURCE of GENERATING all sorts of problems. 

So the guru is Krishna's successor, and thereby we should expect confusion and problems by worship of God's successor. This is a really bad advert for God and guru. The closer we get to God, and we become gurus, the more we will be confused trouble makers, ok  and who wants to sign up for such a process?

Then he says the Zonal Gurus caused most of the problems. Fine except the gurus still have zones. Jayapataka's zone is Bengal and everyone knows that even now. They had zones all along and they still have zones. Then he admits, the Zonal Guru system has only partially dismantled. OK so you guys still have Zonal Gurus, nothing substantial has changed.  

In any case, the real root issue is, the GBC's are not gurus. They are causing confusion, and problems, and they even admit to that. So that means, they are not, were not, and could not have been gurus. Why does Prahladananda still say they are gurus, when they are not behaving as gurus by anyone's calculation, including -- their own calculation? The good news is, more and more of them are breaking away and attacking the main group. That means their system is dissolving more and more into teeny independent infighting camps, so it is self destructing on its own.

Prahladananda is in charge of the guru (advisory) services committee, so he thinks he is the advisor to God's messiahs. How arrogant is that? God makes gurus, God dictates to the gurus, but God is a screw up, so I have to correct the gurus because God is giving His gurus bad dictations. I am more intelligent -- than God? Hee hee! 

What a jerk! Prahladananda thinks God is a bogus person and a fool who gives bad dictations -- and thus Prahladananda is better than God because he can fix God's bogus dictations. No wonder these people go to the lowest regions of the universe when their foolish life ends. Yes I am so humble, I have to correct God's idiotic dictations. Really humble! Sorry, God is not an idiot, He gives good dictations -- to actual gurus. He does not give good dictation -- to arrogant fools who think they are His successors artificially. ys pd 

ISKCON "Gurus In Conflict" SABHA Committee

NEWS BRIEF - Vote to End Conflict of Interest in GBC - 

The Spiritual Advisors Bhagavata Assembly (SABHA) voted unanimously to recommend that a permanent policy be created to NOT allow both a guru and their disciple to serve on ISKCON’s Governing Body Committee (GBC) Executive Committee (EC) at the same time, earlier this month. SABHA is a group formed to provide checks and balances on the authority of ISKCON’s GBC, and course correction for its decisions, and was founded in 2017. 

The SABHA’s recommendation reads: “A guru and that guru's disciple should not serve on the GBC-EC at the same time. Not only would that look like a conflict of interest, but it would make a vote of the guru and disciple a majority since ‘The only duty of the disciple is the faithful execution of the instruction…received from the spiritual master.’ SB 3.22.7 Purport. 

[PADA: Yep, we would not want to have ISKCON "gurus" and especially "their disciples" advising on any official policy in ISKCON, this could create "a conflict of interest" with the goals of ISKCON. Wait? I think the goal of ISKCON is -- to take advice from the guru and his disciples? 

We would not want to have anything like that! 

So this means, the gurus of ISKCON -- not only do not agree on major policy agendas, they are giving conflicting opinions. There is a conflict of opinion among the guru (residents of Vaikuntha) and therefore -- there is a mundane wrangling going on among them. Except Srila Prabhupada says "guru is one," and they are all united. Where do we find that gurus in Krishna's guru succession are in conflict with one another? 

We still find that conflict going on every day. One leader says the followers of Narayan Maharaja are to be banned because they are preaching deviation, while another leader says we should glorify Narayan Maharaja for helping ISKCON.]

"Not only would the perception of the guru and disciple acting independent of each other be difficult to avoid, but, in practice, the disciple could be unconsciously influenced by his philosophical and emotional relationship with his guru.” The SABHA found that there is a quantitative difference between gurus and their disciples serving together within the much larger GBC body. That is the subject of a different analysis which the SABHA will present to the GBC Body in the near future. 

[PADA: Wow, these people have been gurus all along since 1978. And yet it is only decades later, in 2021 -- just now -- that they are going to finally start to research how "gurus and their followers" will serve in the capacity of GBC. Wait! There is no such thing as a guru being managed by a GBC. So good luck researching that, it does not exist.]

For more information about the SABHA organization:

http://gbc.iskcon.org/gbc_res/The_SABHA_document_ratified_by_GBC_on_3_Feb__2018.pdf 

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SABHA

(Spiritual Advisors Bhagavata Assembly)

1. PURPOSES:

(a) Establishing the Spiritual Advisors Bhagavata Assembly, or SABHA,

[PADA: The guru is the successor to God. As such -- the guru gets dictation direct from God. Therefore, he needs to be guided by the SABHA committee, and not God? How can God be replaced by the SABHA committee?]

1 has manifold functions.

It aims at strengthening unity among ISKCON’s global spiritual leaders. It facilitates their cooperation, communication and working relation for the progress of Srila Prabhupada’s movement.

(b) The SABHA provides checks and balances on the authority of the GBC and course correction for its decisions. 

[PADA: How can a committee provide checks and balances for the guru successors to Krishna? And moreover, the gurus need "course correction" when they are deviating. None of this is found in the teachings of Srila Prahbupada. Why would we say the residents of Krishna loka are deviants who need correcting by a committee of the material world?]

More consultation, more dialogue and more interaction can be conducive to better, wiser and more acceptable decisions. 

[PADA: Well yep, because many of their "guru's" decisions are bogus and wrong. The guru cannot be trusted to make wise decisions. The guru needs to be monitored by a committee?]

There are historical precedents for this approach during Srila Prabhupada’s presence, for example the GBC resolution dated 15 March 1976 states: “Since several resolutions under ‘ISKCON Organization’ passed at the March 9, 9 a.m. meeting, caused a great disturbance among the temple presidents and thus with our spiritual master, the GBC acknowledges that they were mistaken proposals and hereby rejects them. 

[PADA: No, these people in 1976 were not being advertised as gurus. The GBC leaders are making blunders, and having fall downs, because they are conditioned souls and not gurus, and we all knew that at the time in 1976 as well.]

This was ordered by Srila Prabhupada, and refers specifically to resolutions 1, 2, 3, and 10.” The next year the GBC formally established a system of review of its decisions by the Temple Presidents: “After the agenda has been completed Temple President’s meeting will be held. If by a 2/3 majority the Presidents vote any suggested amendments to the resolutions or make new resolutions, these will be referred back to the GBC who will meet to vote on them and that decision will be final. 

[PADA: Except the post 1978 leaders removed most of these temple presidents, at least in many cases, and replaced them with their own fanatical followers. The temple presidents are also currently mostly getting salaries and so on and so forth, and are thus not independent at present.]

Srila Prabhupada will then review this decisions [sic] for ultimate decision
and/or approval.” (1st March 1977). The SABHA is thus intended to enrich the decision making ability of the GBC by providing variegated viewpoints and deeper insight into the needs and concerns of the various ISKCON constituents.

1 In Sanskrit SABHA means assembly, council, court, conclave, etc.

1 (c) The SABHA also offers the GBC the opportunity to hear from other qualified Vaisnavas and tap their collective wisdom in the spirit recommended by Srila Prabhupada: “if we keep Krsna in the center, then there will be agreement in varieties. This is called unity in diversity."

[PADA: OK but they are unified -- on certain points. For example Jayadivata says that sometimes ISKCON gurus are be found engaged in illicit sex with men, women and maybe children, and evidently the SABHA agrees. I do not see them making any counter point? The GBC buries homosexual pedophiles in samadhi, again -- evidently -- the SABHA is on board. Or what?]

I am therefore suggesting that all our men meet in Mayapur every year during the birth anniversary of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. With all GBC and senior men present we should discuss how to make unity in diversity. But, if we fight on account of diversity, then it is simply the material platform. Please try to maintain the philosophy of unity in diversity. That will make our movement successful.” (Letter to Kirtanananda, 18 Oct 1973)

[PADA: Except we were all mostly kicked out, banned, removed, exiled, sued and sometimes assassinated for expressing a different opinion. People who agree with the molester messiah's project are welcomed and unified, others, not really.]

(d) The SABHA can also suggest issues to the GBC for discussion or solution. Again, there is precedent for this in Srila Prabhupada’s presence. A GBC resolution dated 7 March 1977 stated: “Concerning topics to be presented each year at the GBC meeting in Mayapur the temple presidents should submit topics to their GBC representative 45-days prior to the meeting, and the GBC representatives will present those topics 30-days before the meeting to the three GBC officers.”

(e) Overall, the SABHA collaboratively works with the GBC by reviewing and proposing legislation and by suggesting topics for discussion with the aim of improving the quality, legitimacy and acceptance of GBC resolutions, priorities and directions. The SABHA adds value to ISKCON’s governance by offering sound sastric advice and by expressing the will of the constituencies they represent. The sacred duty of the SABHA is to, together with the GBC, act as an instrument of the will of the Founder-Acarya.

[PADA: But if the SABHA agrees that gurus are often fallen into illicit sex with men, women and children, then what is their authority?]

(f) The establishment of the SABHA does not replace or substitute the SGGS, the Sanga of GBCs, Gurus & Sannyasis.

[PADA: Another group that allows its members to say gurus are often falling, if not engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children.]

2. REVIEWING GBC RESOLUTIONS:

2 (a) By a two-third majority of all its voting members,

2 the SABHA can formally object to any GBC resolution and send it back to the GBC for review and reconsideration. 

(b) The objection shall be communicated to the GBC within 30 days of the passing of the resolution, specifically from the date the GBC shares the resolution with the SABHA.

(c) When mandating a review, the SABHA shall share with the GBC the result of the voting, and include, in writing, their reasoning and their recommendations. When applicable, the dissenting opinion should also be shared, in writing.

(d) Upon the SABHA mandating a review, implementation of the resolution shall be suspended and the GBC shall revisit the resolution at their next meeting, during which they will consider the SABHA’s concerns and recommendations.

(e) The GBC shall determine their next step, which could include, but not necessarily be limited to, dialogue with the SABHA to come to a mutually acceptable resolution, pass a modified version, reaffirm the original resolution, etc. 

(f) In special circumstances, the GBC will have to make emergency decisions and pass resolutions that need immediate implementation or will have to process matters – such as those of a personal or legal nature – that require a high level of privacy and confidentiality.

In these special cases, the GBC, at its discretion, may decide to render such resolutions immediately effective and/or keep such deliberations as confidential, without sharing them with the SABHA.

3. PROPOSING NEW LEGISLATION:

(a) By the majority of all its voting members,

3 the SABHA can directly propose new legislation or modifications of existing legislation to the GBC – without the requirement of GBCs having to sponsor the proposal. 

(b) The SABHA shall submit its proposals in the standard format, at any time, during the year. The GBC shall process the proposal within one (1) year of its submission. 

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3 If the SABHA has 35 members, to mandate a review it would require at least 24 valid cast votes. If the SABHA has 35 members, to propose legislation it would require at least 18 valid votes.

[PADA: Right, ISKCON should have expanded, so there should now be a SABHA of thousands of people, but we are lucky now to find 35 members? Where did everyone go? As one woman told PADA, "their program smells so badly, we all had to run away."]

3 (c) Since the SABHA is neither a legislative nor executive body, it cannot enact or implement any legislation independently.

4. SUGGESTING TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION:

(a) By the majority of all its voting members,

4 the SABHA can suggest topics for discussion by the GBC. They might include issues in need of being addressed, clarified or resolved.

(b) Topics can be submitted at any time during the year.

(c) The submission should include why the SABHA considers them important and may include recommendations on the desired outcome.

[PADA: Yep, gurus doing the hokey pokey with men, women and children is not an important enough issue to rate a discussion even. We cannot seem to find this issue being discussed, at all -- in this circle.]

(g) The SABHA shall meet in person at least once a year for a minimum of three 

(3) full days at a place and time of their choice.

5. PARTICIPATING IN GBC MEETINGS:

(a) In addition to the above functions, three (3) members of the SABHA – chosen by the SABHA – shall be invited to attend the GBC meetings (both the Annual General Meetings and the Midterm General Meetings), as observers.

5 (b) They can contribute to the discussions, but they will not have a vote. They should faithfully represent the collective views and concerns of the SABHA as its spokespersons, staying away from promoting individual opinions not shared by the SABHA. These SABHA representatives shall also share information about the dynamics and deliberations of the GBC meetings with the SABHA.

6. MEMBERSHIP:

6.1 Categories:

(a) The SABHA shall have thirty-five (35) members subdivided in the following categories:

(i) Sannyasis & gurus (12 members);

(ii)

Senior devotees (5 members);

(iii)

Vaishnavis (5 members);

(iv)

Youth (3 members); and

(v)

Area representatives (10 members).

(b) The categories are defined as follows:

(i) Sannyasis & gurus6 (12): All sannyasis and initiating spiritual masters not serving as GBC. It is preferred that among the elected members some variety be present (e.g.: a few grihastha gurus).

(ii) Senior devotees (5): Devotees initiated for at least thirty (30) years.

(iii)

10. FUNDING

Individuals might be elected as representatives of different categories at different times (e.g.: a man elected as ‘senior devotee’ might eventually take sannyasa and later be elected in the category of ‘sannyasis and gurus’).

17 If the SABHA has 35 members, to elect the Chair would require at least 18 valid votes.

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16 (a) As the GBC wishes the SABHA to function effectively, although it is envisioned that in the future the SABHA will make its own arrangements, for the first three (3) years of operations, the GBC will grant US$12,000.00 from its yearly budget to the SABHA.

(b) Accounts shall be submitted on a yearly basis to the GBC treasurer.


11. REVIEW OF THE SYSTEM

The GBC shall, at any time in the future, at its discretion, review and amend the SABHA’s structure and functioning, in consultation with the SGGS and the SABHA, to increase the SABHA’s effectiveness.
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[Dear +++++ Dasi: To start with, I think that a number of victims should gather together (ZOOM meetings) and make a youtube video of their dire experiences, and then name the names of the "seniors" and GBC people who were alerted to exploiting if not criminal behaviors and who did not take appropriate action. 

And request help for the next step from law enforcement and / or pro-bono legal experts in the comments section. And send a link to that video to the Florida charity commission and other agencies and ask them how to proceed. To have a charity that claims to represent Krishna, by saying his gurus / successors are often debauchees, deviants, pedophiles, sexual predators etc. is -- charity fraud, right out of the gate. 

Krishna never says His gurus and successors are often debauchees. It is charity fraud, hence tax evasion, corrupting the morals of minors and other crimes. And ask for help to investigate and prosecute these matters. And send the link to top officials in Florida, and so on and so forth. Yes, this needs to be investigated, agreed. ys pd]

PADA: Yes, what is better is -- we do not pay attention to what others were doing. And the result is -- devotees have been being banned, beaten, molested, sued and assassinated (left, right and center) with virtually no checks and balances. Then! All of this went into the public news media, TV, police, FBI, SWAT raids on temples, international press, $400,000,000 lawsuits which bankrupts ISKCON etc. etc. etc. ... and makes Krishna's devotees look like acquiescing accomplices to major criminal activity. Not sure why this is "the better plan"? It is better? Yep, it is great, for the crooks, pervs, deviants, and evil doers. ys pd

+++++ Dasi: They have no idea they will have to pay for all the crying and tears, and even deaths they made for others. They are atheists, but Krishna's laws will always catch them.