| Satsvarupa: | Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you are no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiations would be conducted. |
| Srila Prabhupada: | Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up. I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acarya. |
| Tamal Krsna: | Is that called ritvik acarya? |
| Srila Prabhupada: | Ritvik . Yes. |
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PADA: Danavir, Drutakarma and others held a meeting where they are still saying that gurus engage in illicit sex with men, women and children, and anyone who objects should be drummed out of ISKCON. Same old story, gurus are debauchees, and anyone who does not agree, has to leave. Notice that they are still saying child molesters, criminals and deviants are "a continuation of the parampara." ys pd
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Therefore, let us resolve to:
1. Make it clear that ritvik is absolutely not going to be part of the reform agenda in ISKCON.
2. Immediately discipline or remove any ISKCON officer or sannyasi who advocates or supports ritvik in violation of the 1990 GBC resolutions.
3. Begin an intense campaign to educate and inform ISKCON’s members and congregation that the ritvik idea and its supporters are not part of ISKCON. They are a splinter group that has violated the direct instructions of Srila Prabhupada regarding the continuation of the disciplic succession.
4. Refuse to participate in any discussions or negotiations with ritvik advocates about the possibility of ritvikism being instituted in ISKCON. Discussions should only concern how ISKCON and the ritvik splinter group are going to relate to each other.
What do we hear from 2000 ex-ISKCONites all over Europe who joined GM?
ReplyDeleteFormer ISKCONites who joined GM rather reply, told ya, therefore we left ISKCON. GBC&co are unteachable, when do you get it? How many more years you require to get it into your peabrain?
So all these headlines dont appeal to them therefore we have basically no reply/comment from those 2000 former ISKCON devotees all over Europe. Total silence. Zero.
And these are 99%. In fact even right now, as soon someone is pushed out of ISKCON you can be sure he/she joins GM.
So there has to be a message for those devotees too. Something what makes them to think of Prabhupada in a thankful way.
Headlines that read like above and below, ISKCON:rampant child-abuse in the Holy Dham, another ISKCON guru left with 10 mio, ISKCON Mumbai won't stop suing ISKCON Bangalore till everything is destroyed, etc etc. makes those ex-ISKCONites who joined GM rather confirm their decision of having left Prabhupada's movement once and for all.
Even no more to look retrospectively at those good old days, where they listened to Prabhupada explaining Bhagavad-gita/Srimad-Bhagavatam.
As stated above the GBC reconfirms again the same thing. Reminds of Prabhupada explaining: "This human psychology is the same everywhere. In India many rich men's son, until he has spoiled his father's whole money, he is restless."
This says it in a nutshell. These folks simply went mad over ISKCON's properties. There real life would have been penniless because of total fateful character.
Then they joined ISKCON and voila, here we can get what was refused in our karmi life: estate, landed property, buildings, bank accounts, followers, social prestige.
And if someone becomes an ISKCON guru, because of his "exemplary good standing", he even is able to leave with girl-friend and all "his" properties/Swiss bank accounts. Pretty much an eldorado for dregs of human society. Any idea? Am I hearing - exaggerated and unfair?
Btw, are there still folks who believe in reforming the pirate class of human society? Ok, Prabhupada says we shouldnt be attached to results but work selflessly.
HARE KRSNA--Of course they MUST start "an intense campaign to educate and inform"--In other words "brainwash" ISKCON devotees to reject Srila Prabhupada's "Final Order"---The lies they perpetuate bring them millions in this world and Yamaraja in the next.They are losing the war of minds and they know it.ALL GLORIES TO HIS DIVINE GRACE A.C.BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI SRILA PRABHUPADA--ISKCON's only guru,ever.
ReplyDeleteHari Bol!
ReplyDeleteDear Puranjana das,
Where did you get the information that Danavir and Drutakarma were involved in a meeting with "others"?
Do you have any details such as was this an official GBC meeting?
Do you have a link?
Aside from Drutakarma writing three lengthy articles on the "ONE ISKCON" webiste, and offering his advisory "resolution", I see nothing on that site in reference to this activity you mention.
Thanks
B.Mark
These people are working together. I cannot find the photo of the meeting that went with the article, it was on another site, I'll have to look for it, but there was some meeting. Anyway here they have made their last stand:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.oneiskcon.com/
Drutakarma, Danavir, Krishna Kirti (he renounced Hrdayananda for gay marraige, and a few hold outs, they are the last folks holding the flag of living molester messiahs program.
They have meetings and coordinated programs. Just look at the authors on this site, they are all united. The crazy video I posted about the bewildered prabhu saying his guru is only guru, except when he is not guru, is also on this site. Of course all these guys wear many different hats, thus many of them are on other committees within ISKCON and so forth, and they meet there about other things and so on, perhaps this was not an official one iskcon program, but since they are all behind the scenes united, its an argument over which hat they are wearing today. ys pd
Well, it is obvious that they are working together in general supporting that awful website, etc. Not surprised to see Krishna Kirti das taking an opportunity to present his wishy washy traditionalist nonsense to a crowd.
ReplyDeleteBut considering the title you gave to this blog entry, and the mention of a meeting, I think that you leaped over logic leading you to conclude that the 4 point resolution mentioned in part 1 of Drutakarma's 3-part essay was in fact a result of a GBC sanctioned meeting including Drutakarma and Danavir, and therefore implying a new official GBC action.
You mention seeing a picture printed alongside that essay on another website, but technically that is no evidence of a link.
That said, I would not be surprised to see the GBC adopt Drutakarma's 4 points in their exact terms as a "continuing resolution" or some such nonsense in order to support the other anti-ritvik legislation created in the past.
Thanks for the report anyway, sorry for the critique, but better to be accurate in your reporting in order to avoid trouble from these trouble makers. Don't give them any ammunition!
Hare Krsna
ys
B.Mark