PADA: Court is favoring these people challenging GBC Managers. You can get an English audio if you get into the CC audio.
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MAHATMA'S SELF CARE FOR TEENS
PADA: How much more care for kids do we need pilgrims! Mahatma's messiahs and gurus are having illicit sex with men, women, children and maybe cats. Giriraja is getting oral sex in the temple room. Some of them are watching porno. At least Harikesha said gurus should wear condoms so there won't be a bunch of mini-Harikesha's running amok. So as soon as Mahatma finds his nice homosexual and pedophile messiah's program, he wants to get you to sign up and BRING your KIDDIES! Yikes pilgrims! We should send our kids over to get instructions from the anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiah's club leaders!
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KAILASA CHANDRA and the VAISHNAVA FOUNDATION
PADA:
1. Kailasa says that Srila Prabhupada's books do not give diyam jnanam that destroys sins (diksha). Pretty much the same as the Christians complain, Vedic knowledge cannot remove sins. How does he know the sins are not rectified? Is he in charge of who gets -- or does not get -- karma?
2. Kailasa folks say that books can be interpreted in different ways, so you'd need "the guru" to explain the books. But they admit that have no one acting as "the guru" in their group. So there is no "the guru" available to guide people on the books.
So now they are just negating all book reading and preaching as useless and guidance-less, having no "the guru" whatever in their process. You cannot read the books without "the guru," but there is none, so do not read them!
3. Kailasa says that we should worship the Madhyam, whom his folks admits can fall and become an asura. And that is why ISKCON's Ravindra Swarupa and Trivrikrama circulated Kailasa's writings in ISKCON. Srila Prabhupada says the acharya must be an uttama. A person who can fall and become and asura is not qualified to be acharya.
4. Srila Prabhupada says just by reading my books they are initiated, Kailasa says that is not possible, there is no one getting initiated from these books. He knows more than Prabhupada!
5. Srila Prabhupada says a Madhyam can NOT take karma -- only an uttama has the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins. Srila Prabhupada says if lesser people take sins, and cannot absorb sins, they will suffer, and they are. Kailasa people told me that Krishna will empower the Madhyam to take sins, but they do not cite where this is stated.
6. Kailasa says pure devotee acharyas are similar to us neophyte kanistha "shiksha" devotees, just like the temple pot washing neophytes are shiksha devotees. Srila Prabhupada never said acharyas are only shiksha capable (neophytes) like us neophytes.
7. Kailasa says the the people who worship a pure devotee are "Churchianity" and they need to find a conditioned soul Madhyam who can fall down as their guru. What is the harm in having a Church where everyone worships the acharya, he never explains, he only says it is wrong. The followers of Madhvacarya are Churchianity, because they all worship Madhva?
8. The ritviks are printing original books, and making original book sites, and he is calling us ill names. Like his Jayadvaita pals? Meanwhile the Kailasa program has no book printing, no book sites etc.
9. Kailasa Candra Prabhu also understands that ONE DOES NOT GET DIKSA THROUGH BOOKS ALONE! IT IS SOMETHING TO BE GIVEN THROUGH THE GRACE OF GURU, NOT TAKEN BECAUSE OF ONE'S FOOLISH DESIRES!
PADA: OK so now you guys are saying Srila Prabhupada is absent from his books, there is no guru in the books. Srila Prabhupada says he is present in his books, and Kailasa folks say that is not correct. Who is correct, Kailasa folks or Srila Prabhupada? And we need the grace of guru, and Kailasa has no Madhyam guru. No grace is available.
10. Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya disciplic succession must never be altered, manufactured, or reinterpreted. It must be taken As It Is. Jaya Kailasa Prabhu! Jaya Prabhupada!
PADA: But Kailasa program admits they have no current (Madhyam?) guru.
11. @Gokulananda_LF The books are not the same as a manifest guru! You really think they are the same, and your trying to have an argument about it? You've lost before you started gunslinger tim. The books are great and should not be changed. They are the best thing we have. But are you seriously saying they can not be misinterpreted?? Are you trying to say they can make executive decisions and reprimand deviations?? Are you trying to say they can respond to contradictions that need to be cleared up??
PADA: But you already said there is no current guru to give a response?
12. Kailasa folks said me and Sulochana are drunks and sahajiyas and Sulochana said, that made us targets for violence.
Well the GBC people send me your guys quotes that me and Sulochana are drunks and sahajiyas, which was being made by your group and / or Riktaharsana. And your followers were asking me how many bottles of Vodka I was buying for Sulochana etc. Sulochana said painting us as drunks and fringies is placing us in danger.
And we were. Henry Doktorski's book confirms you guys were criticizing us as not following fringies, which was making us targets. Sulochana was not making this up, you guys made us targets. Riktaharsana admits to me he was citing the New Vrndavana people. Sorry, those people are not to be cited as our authority.
I had the GBC sued for $3M and $400M for the mass child mistreatment, while you and the GBC people were saying we are scum bag liars. To say we are liars when we are challenging MASS child mistreatment is aiding the child mistreatment. I am saying children are being molested, you guys are saying I am a scum bag liar, and the GBC people are citing you.
I had the GBC sued for $3M and $400M for the mass child mistreatment, while you and the GBC people were saying we are scum bag liars. To say we are liars when we are challenging MASS child mistreatment is aiding the child mistreatment. I am saying children are being molested, you guys are saying I am a scum bag liar, and the GBC people are citing you.
I do not need to be taken serious by you or anyone else since already the courts, the FEDS, law enforcement, the media and hundreds of children victims all sided with me on these issues. And so have many devotees. To say I am a liar is what the child victimizers, books changers and GBC exponents also say. I am not being ostracized whatever, I have 35,000 - 65,000 views per day on my blog, and I get messages all the time from devotees, book writers, scholars, Hindus and etc. asking me about all this stuff all the time.
Srila Prabhupada said we need 50 initiated brahmanas here for the deities, your saying we need zero initiated people to do the deity pooja sounds to me like atheist. In any case, I have no idea what lies you are even talking about? What specifically have I lied about? It sounds to me like you are making this a character issue instead of an issues issue.
Our strategy is not collapsing, our blog is getting more hits, and inquiries all the time. And our sister sites like Bangalore are getting hundreds of thousands of views every month. This is called expanding.
Srila Prabhupada said we need 50 initiated brahmanas here for the deities, your saying we need zero initiated people to do the deity pooja sounds to me like atheist. In any case, I have no idea what lies you are even talking about? What specifically have I lied about? It sounds to me like you are making this a character issue instead of an issues issue.
Our strategy is not collapsing, our blog is getting more hits, and inquiries all the time. And our sister sites like Bangalore are getting hundreds of thousands of views every month. This is called expanding.
Anyway, yes, challenging mass child mistreatment, changed books, and Srila Prabhupada complaining of being given (poison) toxins in his last days, is all modes of you and the GBC ignoring. I get the same thing from the GBC people.
But more people ask me about all this every day. We are also having more original books and book web sites inquiries every day, not collapsing at all. I had to expose the November tapes of Srila Prabhupada complaining of being taken out from poison by his leaders, and these leaders said I am a liar, and so are you guys. And the HKC Jaipur also said this is all PADA lies. Whose side are you guys on?
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