ISKCON Files VIDEO / Kailasha Chandra Parrot vs PADA 04 03 26

JAYAPATAKA BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION

Wow, maybe couple dozen people turned up at Los Angeles.

This temple used to have hundreds of people packing it out.

Then they decided to promote the worship of the leader of Auschwitz for Kids -- Jayapataka. And now it is a ghost town. Told ya!

KAILASHA CHANDRA PARROT VS PADA

ERIC JOHANSON: Pranams, Jaya Srila Prabhupada! My article was a challenge to your group's silly way of thinking. Rather than attempt to refute it you made some lame excuse not to read it and then went on with your usual internet bullying. If rittvik really is superior why can't you demonstrate it with philosophy? You mischaracterize what I think and then proceed to attack the straw man you have imagined. Besides I knew you in the early 80'sand you weren't known in Berkeley for preaching that Srila Prabhupada was still initiating. 

The first time I heard you preaching that was when we wrote in the 90's. Unfortunately kali yuga has progressed that many more years and you have fallen into an all too typical 21st century hole - that of rittvik's unofficial social media troll. You sit all day mightily behind your keyboard and smite any who dare to speak ill of your fanatically espoused sectarian cause. All foes are Krishna's enemies who are hardly worthy of even a hint of truth or courtesy or respect. They clearly aren't devotees. 

No doubt all your rudeness and lying or half-truths and putting words in other's mouths are all "worship of the pure devotee." I hate to point the obvious out, but these are the same techniques that are used in political party attack ads and on so-called news networks - pure politics. The idea is that if you can't prove you're position is superior then at least make your critics look worse. If spreading your example is making others Krishna consciousness I would rather go out in the woods. I write because Srila Prabhupada and Krishna put this stuff in my head and I am duty bound to tell others those truths. Let's see how you can mischaracterize this. ys, be

PADA: You have already wrote many articles, mainly about us. That means you are meditating on us and not making others into devotees, which we are doing. The goal of a devotee is to make others into devotees, and not join the GBC stopping our programs that are making Prabhupada's devotees. Now you are saying worshiping a pure devotee is sectarian, in addition to it being mundane politics. 

That means you think worship of a pure devotee is mundane. Which is a good admission on your part, that is what we thought you wanted to say -- and the truth finally emerges. We are demonstrating the philosophy, we are making others into devotees of a pure devotee. Now you are saying we have to prove the worship of a pure devotee is a good idea, because everyone is not worshiping who? Kailasa, the Madhyam messiah? 

Wow, we have to prove that worship of a pure devotee is bona fide and not politics. Yep, the truth is that worship of a pure devotee is mundane politics, that is also called atheist idea. We are also printing the books and giving the words of a pure devotee to people, and you think that is giving people mundane and political information. 

Again, atheist idea. We do not have to prove that worship of a pure devotee is bona fide, since that is the entire basis of the Krishna religion. I do not have to mischaracterize anything, you already admit there is no proof we should get people to worship a pure devotee, because you want them to stay here and rot in the material world and not be connected to Krishna. And now you are saying our making people connect to a pure devotee is mundane, that is what you should have said at the start. ys pd

ERIC JOHANSON: Just more trolling. btw - I've recently come to the conclusion that you and Kailasa actually are very similar in the way I have been writing here. ys, be

PADA: Yes Kailasa is infuriated when he sees people are worshiping a pure devotee, he says worshiping a pure devotee is mundane politics, and you are his sock puppet. We got that already. You cannot even come up with a new angle, you have to repeat his arguments. ys pd

ERIC JOHANSON: Prabhu, Pranams, Jaya Srila Prabhupada! I hate to tell you this but what you call "waiting for Jesus" is actually our parampara standard. It's why we have some big gaps between acaryas after Mahaprabhu. Gaudiya devotees did not create a rittvik system where Srila Rupa Goswami or even Mahaprabhu initiated after their departure. ys, be

PADA: OK so in 100 years you guys will still be waiting for Jesus to return. And meanwhile we will have thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of of people already worshiping Jesus. And by then we will have printed millions of books, made many more temples and so on. 

All glories to the non-existing, alleged, hopefully in future, maybe, speculative, soon to come or not come, possible, potential successor. He might come maybe. Srila Prabhupada says as soon as someone says "maybe," he is speculating and gambling, which is against our principles. Srila Prabhupada placed his murtis in his temples for his worship now. He never said wait for the next Jesus. 

There has already been many Christian preachers who said Jesus is coming next week, next year, etc. and they are all frauds because they have no way of making Jesus appear. Srila Prabhupada says -- Krishna makes the acharyas descend and appear, and this process is not made by us mere mortals on the mundane platform. We conditioned souls cannot order an acharya to appear. But yeah, when there is a gap worship the last acharya link in the chain, that is correct. Yes, when there is a gap, worship the last link, you got it. ys pd