Only a liberated soul like Mother Yasoda
can capture child Krishna.
For all others, it is impossible.
PADA: Dhanesvara's book. Some people think he is good and on our side, others think he still says the GBC guys did some service. I dunno. But if he thinks conditioned souls will be a diksha gurus and absorb sins, he is making a mistake.
MAHATMA's HEART ATTACK
PADA: Thanks prabhu. Yes, Mahatama dasa has had a heart attack, and with that, many intense realizations. And what has he realized? Evidently, that his guru sampradaya from Vaikuntha, which is also called the "Monkey on a Stick / monkey business messiah's program," a program which bans, beats, molests, sues and kills Vaishnavas -- is authorized by Vedic standards! His guru parampara only contains illicit sex with men, women and children, which is what happens all the time among the messiah residents of Vaikuntha! Who knew!
A: Srila Narayana Maharaj: Never. The bona fide guru is qualified. He is like fire. He will burn everything away. Why will he take it himself? He will not take the fruits from the disciple's karma. Never will he take them. He will at once, by his mercy, quickly burn all. Not, there is nothing to be confused about. But, if the guru is not qualified, if he is not tattva-jnani, or if he is a kanistha-adhikari, then he will take all the sins. A madhyama-adhikari who is at the level of madhyama-uttama, oh, he will burn everything.
PD: And Srila Prabhupada says a Madhyama cannot be a diksha guru because he might once again become a demon. He cannot absorb the sins of others. And furthermore, anyone who is not an uttama does not have the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins, Srila Prabhupada is very clear on this. No, a kanistha or madhyama is not like fire, he cannot burn off the sins of -- his own -- never mind burn off the sins of others.
And he just wanted you to know -- he has had near death visions -- that his molester messiah's project is bona fide. Yep, his messiahs are only engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, but that means -- they are highly advanced -- because at least there is no sex with goats in his parampara! And this has all been confirmed by near death visions!
Wow, how advanced are his rasika residents of Vaikuntha, it is hard for us to even imagine! They have very strict acharyas, no illlicit sex with goats there, and he considers that as the highest platform of acharyas who are serving God -- at least evidently.
His program is "Lord Chaitanya's mission," but evidently, Mahatma forgets -- Lord Chaitanya rejects -- and has no place in his mission -- for false renunciates, of which Matmatma's program is producing fallen renunciates all the time. Srila Prabhupada says Krishna never tolerates false renunciates, but Mahatma's program has a false renunciates factory.
I am glad however that one of Mahatma's messiahs said -- it is good for their gurus to wear condoms, maybe at least their gurus won't be spreading too many STD diseases around. That is a good start for purity in his guru line!
So yeah, it looks like he is just doubling down on his support for his program of having ISKCON's children worship his illicit sex with men, women and children; pedos; drunks; porno swamis guru lineage, which means, he has realized nothing, and worse, having children worship deviants as their messiahs is corrupting the morals of minors. He just recycles his illicit sex messiah's program around and around, and it is the same thing every time, living, near dead, or dead, they never change. OK until this all moves to Yama loka, then many changes will happen there.
Yep. Living or not, Mahatma cannot get away from his pedophile messiah's pooja lineage program, even when he is at death's door. That means he will die still clutching onto his pedo meister pal's dhotis, so they will all re-assemble on pedo pooja loka later on.
Did I forget to mention, pedo pooja loka is one of the hellish planets? My friend said he was reading how there are planets with silk trees with sharp thorns on them, and the Yamaduttas drag people across these trees, and he said, these people like Mahatma do not believe such places exist, because they are atheists, but they will soon find out, these places do exist, and they will be among residents there, along with his fellow other pedo pooja-ites.
My friend said, now I am afraid of even looking at a silk tree, but these guys do not fear death, because they do not believe in God, karma, or in life after death, and that is why they promote their pedo pooja in this life, even when they are near the end of this life. They are pedo pooja-ites and proud of it.
ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com
THE SERVICE OF BEING ANOTHER JESUS?
The "service" of absorbing sins like Jesus? Where is this idea coming from?
THE SERVICE OF BEING ANOTHER JESUS?
The "service" of absorbing sins like Jesus? Where is this idea coming from?
Being another Jesus is not a service, it is a position of realization. A conditioned soul cannot absorb the sins of another conditioned soul as a diksha guru, then he will have all sorts of problems, neither the disciple's sins are rectified. ys pd
A: Srila Narayana Maharaj: Never. The bona fide guru is qualified. He is like fire. He will burn everything away. Why will he take it himself? He will not take the fruits from the disciple's karma. Never will he take them. He will at once, by his mercy, quickly burn all. Not, there is nothing to be confused about. But, if the guru is not qualified, if he is not tattva-jnani, or if he is a kanistha-adhikari, then he will take all the sins. A madhyama-adhikari who is at the level of madhyama-uttama, oh, he will burn everything.
PD: And Srila Prabhupada says a Madhyama cannot be a diksha guru because he might once again become a demon. He cannot absorb the sins of others. And furthermore, anyone who is not an uttama does not have the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins, Srila Prabhupada is very clear on this. No, a kanistha or madhyama is not like fire, he cannot burn off the sins of -- his own -- never mind burn off the sins of others.
That is why Nectar of Instruction says, one must only accept an uttama as his guru. There is no sin burning fire in any other category. Q: Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada says the guru takes the disciple's sins, papa.
Almost all the neophyte GBC people who took sins under Narayan Maharaja's idea and policy suffered by falling down, getting sick, and dying. Never mind their followers are not being liberated.
Srila Prabhupada told us many, many times, if we allow people to touch our feet we will be acting like diksha gurus, taking sins. That will make us get sick, fall down or both. Of course many of them died. He said, only a pure devotee has the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins, and if you neophytes take sins "you will have to suffer" and they are suffering. So yes, this question was answered many times, none of you neophytes should attempt to take other's sins, but they neglected that instruction.
That is ALSO why Srila Prabhupada told the story of the snake and the ants. The false guru told the disciples he could take their sins, but he could not. So the disciples went to Yamaraja and they were very angry, and they wanted to take revenge. So Yamaraja made them ants, and made their guru a snake, and the snake went over the ant hill, and he was eaten alive by the ants. In other words, it does not matter if this karma is not resolved now, it will be eventually.
And! When we were in India, Srila Prabhupada stopped the whole kirtan when he saw two of his lady disciples having their feet touched by the old ladies at the pandal program. He told them, "I told you -- do not let people touch your feet, you will be taking their karma and you will have to suffer." None of you neophytes should attempt to take others sins, but they neglected that instruction. No idea why the ladies "gurus" would be able to be diksha gurus and take karma -- when the men who do so are suffering many reactions. ys pd
Can anyone answer:
Just because the present Iskcon Gurus became Guru themselves & didnt follow Srila Prabhupada 1977 Ritvik instruction - that I will be last initiating Guru & henceforth there will be no Diksha Gurus but Ritvik initiation will be done on my behalf for which Srila Prabhupada appointed 11 Ritviks to oversee Ritvik initiations & also manage the Iskcon movement.
However, it surprises me & have a big question that why these 11 Ritviks didnt do the tasks that were assigned to them by Srila Prabhupada & why did they implement their own agenda by becoming Gurus themselves when Srila Prabhupada had clearly mentioned in 1977 that I am last Diksha Guru & henceforth there will only be Ritvik initiations on my behalf.
If these 11 Ritviks would have implemented Srila Prabhupada instructions then the present day schism between Ritviks & Iskcon Guru followers would not have occured. Please correct me if I am wrong.
SG Dasa
Yep, 108% correct. Their Deviation is directly and completely responsible for the destruction that happened.
But, keep in mind, some of them were also poisoning HDG for years (not realizing He's not a human, and you can't kill Him....), and they locked Him in a room in 1970...so they were, generally, too far gone to follow properly. Not all, but some participated in these nefarious and wicked deeds.
Of course, my Beloved Lord Srila Prabhupada will never stop trying to help us, so He always turns the other cheek. So even after all that, He still gave some the chance to properly carry forward Initiations.
But they chose His property, His money, and His Vyasasana, instead of Him....
Hare Krsna!
ALL Glories to our Beloved Lord Srila Prabhupada!!!!!!
Yahoo News Canada
'Monkey on a Stick': From drug smuggling to murder, a gripping exposé of crime in the Hare Krishna movement.
"It's about this human nature and our tendency to want leadership and to want to put our faith in authority figures," filmmaker Jason Lapeyre said
Elisabetta Bianchini
Updated Fri, October 18, 2024 at 2:20 p.m. PDT·6 min read
Adapted from the bestselling book co-authored by John Hubner and Lindsey Gruson, Canadian filmmaker Jason Lapeyre's documentary Monkey on a Stick looks at the criminal activity in the Hare Krishna movement, particularly in North America in the 1970s and 1980s. From drug smuggling to child sexual abuse and murder, the film dives into the shocking realities of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON).
Lapeyre initially read the novel in the early 2000s and it was immediately something he knew would be a great on-screen adaptation. Initially his idea was for the novel to inspire a dramatic feature and when he optioned the book in 2016, the intention transition to a series format. But ultimately a documentary materialized.
The film begins with the story of how Swami Prabhupada established this spiritual movement in New York City in 1965, quite quickly resulting in this "explosion" of devotees, with many attributing its success to the way Prabhupada was able to connect with individuals during the hippie era of culture.
Things got progressively worse in ISKCON after Prabhupada's death in 1977, when leadership was in the hands of 11 gurus from different temples. "Instead of 11 bishops they got 11 popes trying to turn their temple into the Vatican," as it's described in the film.
At this point Lapeyre leads us through a variety of transgressions from these gurus, with titles like "The LSD Guru" and "The Rock 'n' Roll Guru," using dramatized sequences to depict what was happening. The brilliant setup of these sequences by Lapeyre will make you feel like you've stepped into a horror film.
As Lapeyre stressed, the guiding light for this film is Nori Muster, who was a Los Angeles-based devotee in the '70s and '80s, who worked in the public relations department of ISKCON. She's also written her own book titled "Betrayal of the Spirit: My Life behind the Headlines of the Hare Krishna Movement."
"Nori, who is someone who was right at the heart of the story for the entire time period that we're talking about, she was someone who helped me put together the list of interview subjects. She was someone who did outreach with me," Lapeyre told Yahoo Canada. "She was literally sitting beside me when we interviewed people. She would sometimes take over the interview, I would invite her [to]."
"During the editing process I was sending cuts to Nori and asking for feedback. ... I had final cut of the film, but she was someone that I really wanted to feel ownership over the final product." In terms of getting Muster's trust to be such an active participate in this film, Lapeyre really just established with her that they shared the same agenda.
"From the moment she left the movement, she's pretty ardently devoted her life to trying to get the story out," Lapeyre said. "At one point I said to her, 'Hey by the way, if you have any old footage, like VHS tapes or films of your time in ISKCON, that's something that might be great for the documentary.' And she was like, 'Oh, I'm so sorry, Jason, I don't have anything like that. All I have is hundreds of hours of recorded interviews with all the gurus and power players in the system.' My head exploded."
"Her journalistic impulses and her archival and historical impulses to keep all that stuff became really one of the key elements of the film. And this idea of history bearing witness and the testimony, the historical evidence of the criminal activity of the gurus in the organization, was something that we really wanted to literally show on camera. So once she understood that that's what we wanted to do, I think she was all in."
Monkey on a Stick (Dustin Rabin)
'It's a plea to interrogate that desire for leadership and authority'
There's a particularly interesting conversation that Muster has with Lapeyre at the end of the film where she says, "I was an adult. I let myself be brainwashed." But we hear Lapeyre pushback a bit on how much she's almost blaming herself for her involvement in the movement.
"I wanted to include that because I don't know what the right answer is," Lapeyre said. "You can hear me sort of arguing with her, but I watch that now and I'm like, 'Am I right, or is she right?'"
"I don't know that that's a question that has a great answer, and that's ultimately what I wanted to do with the film is maybe, hopefully, have people come out of the theatre talking about that. One of the things we say about the film a lot is that it's not about Krishna Consciousness, it's about this human nature and our tendency to want leadership and to want to put our faith in authority figures. But if the film is a plea for anything, it's a plea for critical thinking and it's a plea to interrogate that desire for leadership and authority."
Something that wasn't as fleshed out in the novel, but Lapeyre really wanted to bring forward in Monkey on a Stick, is the impact of early guidance in ISKCON that women had to be submissive to men. As Muster explains in the film, women were seen and temptations for men to "fall off the spiritual path." There was also a belief that women's brains and "smaller."
"If you had to point to one thing that caused almost everything else that happened, it's this decision at the very beginning of the movement that women are inferior to men," Lapeyre said. "In 2024, fortunately we've been educated a little bit, we have a little bit more of a sense that this is a power dynamic that can just easily cause abuse, and it's something that we're just starting ... to be able to recognize, but you maybe couldn't recognize in the late '70s and early 80s."
"When you make that decision that there's going to be a fundamental power dynamic based on gender in their organization, it's going to lead to almost every other abuse you see in the film. That was something that Nori recognized immediately and so hopefully it informs almost every one of the different abuses that we see in the film."
While it can be easy for viewers sitting at home to be judgemental about people not seeing the problematic signs in a movement like Hare Krishna and ISKCON, through a brilliant selection of participates who really open up about their experiences, whether born into the movement or people who are just deeply spiritual human beings, it's a comprehensive look at the need for critical thinking.
"I don't want people to go, 'Oh God what a freak show. What a bunch of idiots,'' Lapeyre said. "John has this amazing line in the film where he says people had invested so much of themselves into the idea that this was going to work, and I think this is a dynamic that I see myself, and I think it's something we see in online behaviour so much, which is really just behaviour now in 2024."
"I hope people come out of the film acknowledging that when you are that invested in an idea or a leader or a movement of any kind, whether it's artistic or bureaucratic or governmental or political, it is really, really hard to have that critical thinking moment of admitting that you were wrong."
Monkey on a Stick is now in select Toronto theatres, with release dates in additional markets to come
=================
CHAPTER 190: THE LAST WILL (Cont.)
Can anyone answer:
Just because the present Iskcon Gurus became Guru themselves & didnt follow Srila Prabhupada 1977 Ritvik instruction - that I will be last initiating Guru & henceforth there will be no Diksha Gurus but Ritvik initiation will be done on my behalf for which Srila Prabhupada appointed 11 Ritviks to oversee Ritvik initiations & also manage the Iskcon movement.
However, it surprises me & have a big question that why these 11 Ritviks didnt do the tasks that were assigned to them by Srila Prabhupada & why did they implement their own agenda by becoming Gurus themselves when Srila Prabhupada had clearly mentioned in 1977 that I am last Diksha Guru & henceforth there will only be Ritvik initiations on my behalf.
If these 11 Ritviks would have implemented Srila Prabhupada instructions then the present day schism between Ritviks & Iskcon Guru followers would not have occured. Please correct me if I am wrong.
SG Dasa
Yep, 108% correct. Their Deviation is directly and completely responsible for the destruction that happened.
But, keep in mind, some of them were also poisoning HDG for years (not realizing He's not a human, and you can't kill Him....), and they locked Him in a room in 1970...so they were, generally, too far gone to follow properly. Not all, but some participated in these nefarious and wicked deeds.
Of course, my Beloved Lord Srila Prabhupada will never stop trying to help us, so He always turns the other cheek. So even after all that, He still gave some the chance to properly carry forward Initiations.
But they chose His property, His money, and His Vyasasana, instead of Him....
Hare Krsna!
ALL Glories to our Beloved Lord Srila Prabhupada!!!!!!
Yahoo News Canada
'Monkey on a Stick': From drug smuggling to murder, a gripping exposé of crime in the Hare Krishna movement.
"It's about this human nature and our tendency to want leadership and to want to put our faith in authority figures," filmmaker Jason Lapeyre said
Elisabetta Bianchini
Updated Fri, October 18, 2024 at 2:20 p.m. PDT·6 min read
Adapted from the bestselling book co-authored by John Hubner and Lindsey Gruson, Canadian filmmaker Jason Lapeyre's documentary Monkey on a Stick looks at the criminal activity in the Hare Krishna movement, particularly in North America in the 1970s and 1980s. From drug smuggling to child sexual abuse and murder, the film dives into the shocking realities of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON).
Lapeyre initially read the novel in the early 2000s and it was immediately something he knew would be a great on-screen adaptation. Initially his idea was for the novel to inspire a dramatic feature and when he optioned the book in 2016, the intention transition to a series format. But ultimately a documentary materialized.
The film begins with the story of how Swami Prabhupada established this spiritual movement in New York City in 1965, quite quickly resulting in this "explosion" of devotees, with many attributing its success to the way Prabhupada was able to connect with individuals during the hippie era of culture.
Things got progressively worse in ISKCON after Prabhupada's death in 1977, when leadership was in the hands of 11 gurus from different temples. "Instead of 11 bishops they got 11 popes trying to turn their temple into the Vatican," as it's described in the film.
At this point Lapeyre leads us through a variety of transgressions from these gurus, with titles like "The LSD Guru" and "The Rock 'n' Roll Guru," using dramatized sequences to depict what was happening. The brilliant setup of these sequences by Lapeyre will make you feel like you've stepped into a horror film.
As Lapeyre stressed, the guiding light for this film is Nori Muster, who was a Los Angeles-based devotee in the '70s and '80s, who worked in the public relations department of ISKCON. She's also written her own book titled "Betrayal of the Spirit: My Life behind the Headlines of the Hare Krishna Movement."
"Nori, who is someone who was right at the heart of the story for the entire time period that we're talking about, she was someone who helped me put together the list of interview subjects. She was someone who did outreach with me," Lapeyre told Yahoo Canada. "She was literally sitting beside me when we interviewed people. She would sometimes take over the interview, I would invite her [to]."
"During the editing process I was sending cuts to Nori and asking for feedback. ... I had final cut of the film, but she was someone that I really wanted to feel ownership over the final product." In terms of getting Muster's trust to be such an active participate in this film, Lapeyre really just established with her that they shared the same agenda.
"From the moment she left the movement, she's pretty ardently devoted her life to trying to get the story out," Lapeyre said. "At one point I said to her, 'Hey by the way, if you have any old footage, like VHS tapes or films of your time in ISKCON, that's something that might be great for the documentary.' And she was like, 'Oh, I'm so sorry, Jason, I don't have anything like that. All I have is hundreds of hours of recorded interviews with all the gurus and power players in the system.' My head exploded."
"Her journalistic impulses and her archival and historical impulses to keep all that stuff became really one of the key elements of the film. And this idea of history bearing witness and the testimony, the historical evidence of the criminal activity of the gurus in the organization, was something that we really wanted to literally show on camera. So once she understood that that's what we wanted to do, I think she was all in."
Monkey on a Stick (Dustin Rabin)
'It's a plea to interrogate that desire for leadership and authority'
There's a particularly interesting conversation that Muster has with Lapeyre at the end of the film where she says, "I was an adult. I let myself be brainwashed." But we hear Lapeyre pushback a bit on how much she's almost blaming herself for her involvement in the movement.
"I wanted to include that because I don't know what the right answer is," Lapeyre said. "You can hear me sort of arguing with her, but I watch that now and I'm like, 'Am I right, or is she right?'"
"I don't know that that's a question that has a great answer, and that's ultimately what I wanted to do with the film is maybe, hopefully, have people come out of the theatre talking about that. One of the things we say about the film a lot is that it's not about Krishna Consciousness, it's about this human nature and our tendency to want leadership and to want to put our faith in authority figures. But if the film is a plea for anything, it's a plea for critical thinking and it's a plea to interrogate that desire for leadership and authority."
Something that wasn't as fleshed out in the novel, but Lapeyre really wanted to bring forward in Monkey on a Stick, is the impact of early guidance in ISKCON that women had to be submissive to men. As Muster explains in the film, women were seen and temptations for men to "fall off the spiritual path." There was also a belief that women's brains and "smaller."
"If you had to point to one thing that caused almost everything else that happened, it's this decision at the very beginning of the movement that women are inferior to men," Lapeyre said. "In 2024, fortunately we've been educated a little bit, we have a little bit more of a sense that this is a power dynamic that can just easily cause abuse, and it's something that we're just starting ... to be able to recognize, but you maybe couldn't recognize in the late '70s and early 80s."
"When you make that decision that there's going to be a fundamental power dynamic based on gender in their organization, it's going to lead to almost every other abuse you see in the film. That was something that Nori recognized immediately and so hopefully it informs almost every one of the different abuses that we see in the film."
While it can be easy for viewers sitting at home to be judgemental about people not seeing the problematic signs in a movement like Hare Krishna and ISKCON, through a brilliant selection of participates who really open up about their experiences, whether born into the movement or people who are just deeply spiritual human beings, it's a comprehensive look at the need for critical thinking.
"I don't want people to go, 'Oh God what a freak show. What a bunch of idiots,'' Lapeyre said. "John has this amazing line in the film where he says people had invested so much of themselves into the idea that this was going to work, and I think this is a dynamic that I see myself, and I think it's something we see in online behaviour so much, which is really just behaviour now in 2024."
"I hope people come out of the film acknowledging that when you are that invested in an idea or a leader or a movement of any kind, whether it's artistic or bureaucratic or governmental or political, it is really, really hard to have that critical thinking moment of admitting that you were wrong."
Monkey on a Stick is now in select Toronto theatres, with release dates in additional markets to come
=================
CHAPTER 190: THE LAST WILL (Cont.)
-LAST WILL IS EVIDENCE SUPPORTING JULY 9 ORDER (3) In point #3 of the Will, each ISKCON property in India was entrusted to 3 executive directors and the names of the properties and their executive directors were listed. Then the Will says this:
“The executive directors who have herein been designated are appointed for life. In the event of the death or failure to act for any reason of any of the said directors, a successor director or directors may be appointed by the remaining directors, provided the new director is my initiated disciple following strictly all the rules and regulations of the International Society for Kṛṣṇa Consciousness as detailed in my books, and provided that there are never less than three (3) or more than five (5) executive directors acting at one time.”
When the draft of the Will was being read out by Giriraja Swami, June 2, 1977, to Srila Prabhupada, it stated “an initiated disciple,” but in the final document it has been changed to “my initiated disciple.” Obviously Srila Prabhupada wanted this exact change, indicating very clearly that in his movement’s future only his initiated disciples should be property trustees.
But if there are no more disciples being initiated by Srila Prabhupada after 1977, how will this be possible? Perhaps by 2060 all pre-1978 Srila Prabhupada disciples will have passed away. Who will be the directors of these properties then? The deduction is that all the future disciples of this movement are Srila Prabhupada’s disciples, initiated through the system set up by Srila Prabhupada himself.
The GBC and Ravindra Svarup scoff at this idea, saying this interpretation is too literal and meaningless. We think not. While not conclusive in itself, it is definitely strong supporting evidence in the whole picture. The Final Will is consistent with the July 9, 1977 Directive and the May 28, 1977 conversation.
We note that the function of a Will is to ensure that after one passes away, one’s desires and wishes are carried out, and thus they are always very carefully worded to avoid ambiguity and to preempt those who will deceitfully try to contradict the intent and meaning of the Will. Srila Prabhupada wanted ISKCON to continue indefinitely after he and all his directly initiated disciples left their bodies.
How can this happen if there are no more initiations by Srila Prabhupada? His Will clearly indicates his own system of initiations and how he was willing to, and would, retain his position as the diksha guru of ISKCON even after his physical departure from this world. We note the Will was concealed, unavailable to devotees many years after 1977 and also there are missing tapes of important conversations with Srila Prabhupada, such as July 6-7, 1977, missing letters, documents: see Ch. 63, 64, 84, 85. (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories 2.726)
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