Namarasa Morning Program with Jadurani DD.

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[PADA: The Jadurani episode is interesting because the whole "everyone must surrender to Narayan Maharaja" process was actually a program launched by the ISKCON GBC's leadership (like Tamal Krishna swami) themselves. Narayan Maharaja was being "consulted" by various GBC gurus like Satsvarupa early on, and then advertised by various GBC's as ISKCON's "shiksha guru" "rasika guru" "senior advisor" etc. 

Thus, around 1984 NM was recruited by Satsvarupa to help write "The Guru Reform Notebook." This booklet later became the ISKCON GBC's textbook for their 1986 "Guru Reform" -- wherein the GBC (A) reinstated their (homosexual) "illicit sex with taxi drivers" "Vishnupada" -- and (B) started voting in many more "gurus." That was the sum and substance of their reform -- self evidently. 

Not much of a reform really? So this was really a compromise deal to make a second tier of gurus with "the reformers" (like Ravindra Swarupa / Radhanath / Prithu / Gaura Govinda maharaja / Jayadvaita / Trivrikrama et al.) but it does not settle the question, how can conditioned souls be "gurus" in the first place? 

"They wanted to be gurus. This is material and NOTHING ELSE."

Why would we make materialistic people into -- Krishna's gurus?

That would make Krishna also (saksad) material?

More importantly, how can the SAME people who reinstate sex with taxi drivers as their acharya, certify more acharyas? And why would we say a person who is known to be having "oral sex with taxi drivers" is a Jesus-like messiah, who can absorb the sins of others? How can the sinful absorb the sins of other sinful people? NM and ilk -- never explain?

Yasomatinandana dasa wrote in 1986, "we have given the gift of a homosexual guru to Lord Chaitanya for His 500th appearance day." So just about everyone in the upper levels knew this process was going on, and evidently so did Narayan Maharaja since he discussed how the GBC was making homosexuals into their gurus. Even Gaura Govinda Maharaja told me -- he knew they were reinstating homosexuals as their gurus (at the very same time they were voting him in as guru).  

And Hrdayananda said -- of the reform "The Mad Acharya Disease -- has become an epidemic." Thus! Instead of reducing the number of false acharyas, or eliminating them, they made -- more and more false acharyas. Which of course leads to more problems, scandals, deviations and so on. And Narayan Maharaja was pouring gasoline on this fire. 

Meanwhile Srila Prabhupada says -- considering gurus to be ordinary men (gurusuh narah matih) is the mad elephant offense, which destroys devotional service -- and makes one ALREADY a resident of hell (narakha sah). Of course the GBC hand picks deviants to be their gurus, and they do not even want "ordinary men" like the village trash man to be their gurus. 

Nope! They evidently want people less qualified than the trash man to be their gurus, indeed they often want deviants / molesters / sexual predators / drunks etc. to be their messiahs from heaven. And NM supported the GBC in this process. Jayadvaita sums that their guru chain contains "illicit sex with men, women and children." And that is the "guru chain" that Narayan Maharaja became the main shiksha advisor to? And Jadurani says she is just following the nectar, to the illicit sex with men, women and children guru program's vociferous ring leader?

Radhanath / Narayan Maharaja

And then these "we are voting in more acharyas" policies became viciously enforced, as anyone who questioned the GBC / Narayan Maharaja co-authored "Guru Reform" process was labelled as an offender and was removed from ISKCON. In short, we HAD to follow NM and his ideas, or face banishment, or worse. NM was now the ISKCON GBC's main "shiksha guru advisor," and his advice rapidly became the "GBC law" of ISKCON.  

Thus at the time, Narayan Maharaja was being credited with "saving ISKCON" by helping the GBC institute their "Guru Reform." Of course, when they announced their guru reform one Indian gentleman in the audience asked, "how can the guru need be in need of reform"? And his answer was never replied to, they changed the subject and moved on.

A guru reform? Fine! Except the reformers, including Narayan Maharaja, never explained why a successor to God, a guru, needs to be "reformed" for deviations -- from square one? The 1986 "reformers" also: excommunicated Sulochana, boosted Radhanath and others as big authorities, and voted in about 20 more gurus -- and slated many more to be voted in the following years, which happened. Thus the GBC / NM "reform" simply aided and abetted the original 1978 "11 gurus" deviation, by adding more and more conditioned soul people to the original deviation. 

So now we have had a policy of -- sex with taxi drivers gurus -- and the people who voted to reinstate sex with taxi drivers gurus -- as the leaders of the "reform" process -- to now vote in many more gurus. How could this lot be in charge of certifying God's successors? Why doesn't NM know that a homosexual / pedophile / sexual predator / drunkards guru process is not authorized from square one, never mind not authorized to "vote in" and certify many more gurus? 

And this has been Narayan Maharaja's idea of how to "reform" ISKCON? Meanwhile Narayan Maharaja was saying those of us who wanted to establish the worship of Srila Prabhupada as the acharya for ISKCON are "ritvik poison." And yet "the ritviks" have been the main people exposing the child molesting, book changes, and other deviations. 

So that helps the criminal guru program cover their crimes, by chopping the legs off the protest of the criminal guru program. The dissenters to their pedophile guru program are "ritvik poison" -- also paints a bulls eye on our backs for violence. We are being demonized as "poison." No wonder Sulochana was murdered -- right after they announced the reform?  

And thus! We all know by now the result, by demonizing Sulochana and raising Kirtanananda's position once again by saying "we cannot offend a great Vaishnava like Kirtanananda," this created a violent cult atmosphere where Sulochana was murdered, which lead to a big SWAT team raid on New Vrndavana -- and all sorts of terrible newspaper media stories condemning ISKCON as a violent whacky cult. OK, so this is the result of their reform, of which Narayan Maharaja was one of the chief ghost-writing architects?    

After the Sulochana murder, some devotees sobered up and realized these gurus are a hoax. Meanwhile, the Narayan Maharaja program went the other direction, and started to say the ISKCON gurus are "rasika devotees." NM was then declared as ISKCON's "rasika advisor" and he was giving "rasika classes" to the GBC's "rasika club" -- such as Tamal, Giriraja, Sivarama, Indradyumna, Satsvarupa, evidently Mahanidhi types -- and others. So now the leaders of "the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual and pedophiles as messiahs project" were being advertised as "gopi rasika" devotees?

Oddly, at the same exact time we were helping molesting victims with gathering their testimony for a court case in Dallas, Narayan Maharaja was in Dallas shouting at our friends for having doubts about the GBC guru process, headed by Tamal. So NM is in Dallas to promote his and Tamal's pedophile guru process, while the Dallas courts are fried and disgusted at NM's pedophile guru process. 

Yet Jadurani says we have to "follow the nectar." Banning, beating, molesting, suing and assassinating Vaishnavas is a nectar program? And thus we have to promote its biggest defender / apologist / supporter / cheer leader / hand maiden / Tamal bucket boy / -- Narayan Maharaja? Sorry, this is not nectar. 

I just got a nice letter from a female ex-gurukuli who said being in gurukula was like being in both heaven and hell at the same time. Knowing about Krishna was heavenly, but being treated worse than regular people treat their dogs was like hell. She says she cries all the time thinking about how badly they were treated and how some of her friends committed suicide and some of them started to eat meat and etc. So we need to follow the nectar, but why is one of the chief co-orchestrators of hell on earth for children, a source of nectar? 

Can someone splain' that to us? And why was NM my number one harassing critic when I launched the poison case? Oh, I forgot, he was still trying to say Tamal is a good saint at the time and he was unhappy we were exposing their "kill guru and become guru" cult. Yep, that is the way to follow the nectar. Ummm, ok maybe not. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

PS just got another letter from another person asking all sorts of questions on these same topics.      

ISKCON Cannot Be "Reformed" (Tanumadhya Dasa)

[PADA: Yep, people still write to me "well we had a reform, it has all been corrected." Ummm, nope. Rather they are direct or de facto allowing all sorts of deviated folks to float around. And when their deviated pals die, they might even bury such deviants in "eternal samadhis." As more than a few folks have complained and commented to PADA -- "It is corrupt to the core." ys pd] 

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Drunkards Smarter Than Hanuman Croatia? (ISKCON Guru Imbroglio)

PADA: Now Hanuman Croatia is attacking "whiskey drinkers" for not understanding the Krishna religion. Fair enough! Yet in 1980 the Berkley police told me "there was Prabhupada, and then there were those who thought they were Prabhupada." And more to the point they told me, "the Krishna religion is simply a front for a criminal organization." Were they right? Absolutely! 

Meanwhile, Hanuman Croatia's GBC "messiah from heaven who can absorb sins like Jesus guru" aka "Sridhara Swami" was saying Prabhupada had appointed 11 conditioned souls as Krishna's guru successors. Ooops! Includes Kirtanananda. Right out of the gate -- that makes the Berkley Police folks more advanced than Sridhar Swami, because Sridhar was still in the illusion that these GBC guys are gurus. There is no evidence Sridhar ever broke free from that illusion? 

So Hanuman's guru's program has been promoting Kirtanananda et al. as God's "pure as Jesus" messiahs. And they are still promoting the Kirtanananda hand maidens even today (like Sridhar) while the police -- or even the village drunk -- have dropped all these guys as bogus a long time ago? Did we forget to mention -- Sridhara Swami was great pals with Tamal, Radhanath, and the whole inner circle of molester messiahs program's leaders?   

Whereas the regular karmis -- who maybe eat hamburgers and / or drink alcohol -- figured out a long time ago that these "gurus" are bogus. OK! Or maybe, criminals! Why is Hanuman Croatia essentially saying that even the village drunks are more advanced than Krishna's gurus (like Sridhara Swami), because they can spot a fake guru way before Hanuman's program has been doing? I also see no evidence that Sridhara Swami ever even recanted. OK forever! 

And admitted they were promoting conditioned souls (and maybe criminals) as Krishna's successors and gurus? The police woke up right away, the village drunks never accepted that these GBC are gurus, but Sridhar never did figure this out? Like -- ever!

Why would we say deviants and fools are Krishna's guru successors in the first place? Krishna is God -- and therefore, His successors are sometimes: homosexuals, pedophiles, drunks, crooks and deviants. Where is the even most basic respect for God, if we make deviants into His successors? Even the town drunk would never do that, because even the drunk knows it is an offense to God to declare that deviants are God's successors. In sum, the town drunk has at least some minimal respect for God, so he would not insult God like these Sridhar Swami folks, by juxtaposing God and His successors with -- deviants. 

So the town drunks are -- more or less -- "woke up" to these basic truths, but the Hanuman program -- never woke up? And Hanuman still advertises GBC Sridhar Swami as the guru he worships. So the people who promote homosexuals, pedophiles and deviants as God's messiahs -- are fit to be worshiped, whereas the town drunk worships only Jesus, because he knows only Jesus is fit to be worshiped. So we should attack the town drunk as "a bogus Christian," but worship the founder pillars of the pedophile messiah's program? Wait! The town drunk is more advanced than all of these GBC type guys put together, because he AT LEAST knows we have to worship a pure devotee -- and not deviants.    

So it seems Hanuman Croatia is advertising that it is better to drink Vodka than chant Hare Krishna, because then you will be way smarter and way more advanced than people like Hanuman's guru Sridhara Swami. To my understanding Sridhara Swami never EVER admits that the 11 were not appointed as gurus, and the 11 are not and were not gurus, and the whole thing is a hoax. And worse, they were promoting people like Radhanath as gurus (the people voted in by the 11). 

Self-evidently many "karmis" have been way ahead of Sridhar Swami in "guru tattva" realization. And they have been also way ahead of Sridhar Swami in GOD realization, because they know that deviants are not, were not, could not have been, God's successors. Why doesn't Sridhar Swami and / or his followers know these same things?

At the same time, some folks have argued -- that me and Sulochana were taking drugs and / or alcohol. What does it matter even if we were? We know that deviants are not God's guru successors. Sridhar Swami and his pals do not know. 

Worse! Hanuman Croatia says because me (and Srila Prabhupada?) were "associated" with the GBC folks in the 1970s, that makes us complicit in their becoming gurus. Ummm, nope, just because me (and Srila Prabhupada) were "associated with" fallen people and maybe even criminals -- does not mean, we endorse ANY of these fallen folks as -- God's gurus and messiahs?

I am associated with all kinds of people, but that does not mean I am promoting them as God's gurus and successors? Hanuman seems to think -- that just because I was "associated with" someone -- by being in the same room with them, that means I am trying to make them the next worshiped messiah from heaven. Nope. Whereas! People like the GBC's Sridhar Swami were not just associated with the GBC, he was actively promoting them as God's gurus and God's successors. There is a difference! 

When I was driving a taxi in San Francisco I was "associated with": Christian ministers, Hindus, business people, unruly kids -- who put their melted candy on my car seats, homosexuals, prostitutes, drug dealers, dog walking business people (with their dogs), people making out in the back seat, and maybe criminals -- and who knows -- maybe even murderers. That does not mean, because I was merely "associated with" such people, I was therefore promoting some or any of them as God's messiahs? 

Hanuman does not get it? Just because me (and Srila Prabhupada) "associated with" these GBC people, does not make that an endorsement that they are NOW God's messiahs and God's successors. Of course even the village drunk knows that, just because I am driving around all kinds of potentially devious people in my taxi, and I am "associated with" these people, that does not mean I am recommending we worship any of these people as God's successors? 

Has Hanuman been drinking Vodka, and that is why he cannot distinguish ANY of these things? Not really picking on the poor Hanuman guy per se, we get this same thing, the "GBC guru ideology" from all sorts of "devotees" all the time. He is just one of the star examples. Just showing folks the types of arguments we get from GBC brain infected folks -- all the time, starting even way back in 1978. 

Well prabhu, sure they are conditioned souls, but they are God's successors, what is the problem? The problem? It is -- that even the village drunk knows conditioned souls are not God's successors. That is the problem in a nutshell.

ys pd 

Sridhar Swami: 

Pillar member of the molester messiah's club.

Nrsimhananda (David Shapiro) Addresses Debauchee Messiahs Leadership

Nrsimhananda prabhu 

Nrsimhananda Das (David Shapiro) tries to explain how we can organize ISKCON as more de-centralized. Wait? The first problem is, it seems the ISKCON management system is already highly organized and centralized, at least in the most important area: "who is a guru, parampara member and God's successor in ISKCON." 

Ok and their "guru parampara from God" contains -- homosexuals, pedophiles, sexual predators, drunks, drug addicts, deviants, porno swamis, orchestrators of assassinations etc. They all pretty much agree to that policy and principle, and by various means UNITE to enforce that idea as their central Guru Tattva policy. In sum, ISKCON is highly united and centralized -- at least over defending their central idea that a chain of "gurus from God" contains sexual predators, pedophiles etc. Therefore, he is really addressing the debauchee messiah's club and its leadership here? 

One devotee called me to say, "the greatest obstacle in the world to spreading bona fide Krishna consciousness is -- the GBC and their illicit sex guru program." In sum! As soon as someone says, "God's successors are not debauchees and child molesters etc." -- then the GBC wagons start to unite and circle around to defend themselves from these types of objections. So they are highly organized, at least when it comes to defending and deflecting criticisms that they are attacking the "guru chain from God" as containing various deviants.

And when some of their pedophile and pornography "God's successors" swamis depart, they might be placed in "a samadhi in the holy dham." Why? So that the little children of ISKCON can go there and bow down to these pedophile and deviant messiahs "holy burial sites"? And all of this would not be possible without a highly centralized and highly orchestrated regime to set all of this in place. To sum, it is already highly centralized and organized to make these pedophile samadhi etc. events happen. 

In fact someone wrote to tell me how the ISKCON leaders had to get all sorts of permits and documents from the government to allow these deviant's burial sites. So, they are organized, at least when it comes to making homosexuals, pedophiles and assorted deviants into "links" in their "guru chain from God," and so on and so forth. Worse, they are meticulously organized on that front.

And! As soon as anyone (like our Prabhupadanugas) say -- NOPE! "God's successors / gurus / parampara members / acharyas etc. are NOT illicit sex with men, women and children deviants -- then we are generally targeted as "against ISKCON" and are pretty much banned, removed and exiled from ISKCON. And we have literally countless examples of that, including our own example. 

Nrsimhananda das says we need independently thoughtful people, but it seems to many of us -- as soon as anyone reads Srila Prabhupada's books independently -- and discovers that Krishna's guru successors and acharyas are NOT sexual predators / pedophiles / homosexuals and criminals etc., and they repeat that idea, then they are pressured and edged out of the society. So much so, Lokanath swami once wrote that ISKCON has become a ghost town, where did all the devotee go? Well it is simple, the devotees who said acharyas are not deviants have been removed, like we were. This process is HIGHLY organized in a huge scheme ALL OVER the planet.

The list of deviations in their "eternal parampara from God" is really endless, as the "guru chain from God" in the ISKCON parampara contains: drunkards; drug addicts; porno swamis; homosexuals; pedophiles; criminals; orchestrators of assassinations and so on. OK! And anyone who disagrees is then shunned; marginalized; called a useless fringie; vilified; removed; exiled; sued; if not chased out of the temple with baseball bats; threatened with death; and sometimes "dissenters" are beaten and killed. 

And the people who orchestrated all that process, like for example: Jayapataka swami, Mukunda Swami, Prabha Vishnu ex-swami, Hari Sauri das, Bhakti Vikas swami, Kuladri, Badri Narayan swami, Radhanath swami et al. are still pretty much the current leaders now. So the central idea is -- God's successors are often debauchees and deviants, and that has been their central theme all along since 1978 and it still is their central theme now. And their pedophile messiah's dogma is highly enforced by a centralized team of these leaders. Anyone who objects is sent to the ISKCON GBC's Siberia exiles Gulag. 

So centralized management or not centralized management is not the REAL issue, the issue is "what is your central Guru Tattva siddhanta"? And their central siddhanta all along since 1978 is, gurus are often debauchees. So if Krishna's successors are often debauchees, that makes Krishna Himself also a debauchee since He is "shaksad hari tvena" with His guru successors. So that is their central idea, God is a giant debauchee since His successors are. And! Enforced as a highly centralized policy with highly centralized push back on anyone who disagrees.   

And of course we have Jayapataka saying he is another Jesus because he is "taking the sins of all the devotees." Why would we say that the founder fathers of the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children as God's messiahs process, is another messiah himself, who can absorb sins like Jesus? People are not supposed to worship illicit sex deviants as their messiahs, what to speak of a centralized and organized parampara that contains such deviants.  

And they are all there in Mayapur, where one of the most prominent founder fathers of the entire pedophile pooja process (Jayapataka swami) is worshiped there as another Jesus. The founder father of the anus reconstructive surgery for kids epidemic, is -- a messiah like Jesus? So that is their central program, and thus centralized management or decentralized does not matter -- if the founder fathers of pedophile messiah programs are their current messiahs. Did we forget to mention their program had to be sued for $400,000,000 for mass child abuse and they pleaded "no contest" in court.

In any case, the good news is, there are a lot of independently minded people out there, and they are coming to our side and joining our idea -- God is pure and therefore His successor is also pure. This is good news for us, the more they promote their illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's program, the more the truly independently minded people are coming to us. Goody! We will take all of em! ys pd 

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Gaura Govinda Maharaja: ISKCON Needs Debauchee Gurus

PADA: Two sides there are. The spiritual side, and ooops, there is no other side except -- mundane contamination and illusion. There is the spiritual side, where people worship Krishna's pure devotees. Then, there is -- the other side -- worship of mundane conditioned souls, but this process is not authorized by the acharyas. Rather, worship of conditioned souls as acharyas takes the false acharya and his followers to "the lowest regions of the universe." Says who? Shastra. Did we forget to mention -- when conditioned souls absorb sins from other conditioned souls, they have to suffer and their followers also have to suffer?

Where in the Vedas are we told to worship mundane conditioned souls as "Krishna's successor gurus" to maintain "the organization"? We need to worship Satan, to preserve the Church of Jesus? Really? Yep, if there is one thing Krishna always says it is "Hey, you need to worship Satan if you want to please Me"! 

OK Nope. 

Meanwhile, although the Church has had a lot of bumpy ride problems, the basic institution -- and root idea -- has survived because everyone agrees to the root idea -- to worship the acharya. That is because they separate "the managers" from "the acharya," whereas GGM wants to blend them together as one unit. "This is an organizational matter." Nope. It is a spiritual matter, we have to worship the pure devotee acharya, or else there is nothing bona fide about worship of contaminated conditioned souls as the acharya.    

Not so for ISKCON? 

You mean we need to have ISKCON's children worship a guru lineage of homosexuals, pedophiles and assorted debauchees etc. "to preserve the ISKCON institution." The institution of -- who or whom? Satan? And if we do not have people worshiping homosexuals, pedophiles, sexual predators, debauchees, drunkards, drug addicts and criminals "the organization will collapse." Who believes that their Church needs to worship pedophiles and deviants as messiahs, in order to preserve their Church? Where is any of this stated in shastra? 

O boo hoo, GGM is afraid his pedophile pooja program will -- collapse. Well it collapsed anyway didn't it? And now we are left trying to rummage around in the GGM leftover wreckage to pull out a few survivors.    

"Even Krsna Himself personally took part in the Battle of Kuruksetra so that Maharaja Yudhisthira, a Krsna conscious king, could sit on the throne of the empire. 

But now the foolish people are electing rascals like Nixon and then regretting it and trying to impeach them. They should know, however, that either Nixon or Dixon or anyone else, if the leader is not Krsna conscious he cannot do anything good for the people in general. 

You are therefore doing a great service by trying to make people Krsna conscious as you have done in the contest in Atlanta. Don’t worry about the result; go on trying."

Letter, November 1, 1973

So the GBC is going to "vote in" self-evidently various rascals as gurus, and that is going to fix everything? Nope. Srila Prabhupada says voting for rascals cannot do any good. Where does GGM get the idea that the GBC can "vote in gurus," from square one? There is no order to vote in gurus, what to speak of an order to vote in sometimes rascals and deviants as gurus.

And! Didn't GGM's molester messiahs process cause ISKCON to collapse anyway, and declare itself bankrupt over the mass child molesting -- created by Gaura Govinda Maharaja's "gurus"? How does that preserve the institution? And who authorized GGM to create his (what Sulochana says is) "tossing children into a wood chipper" program? GGM has to toss little children into a wood chipper -- in order to preserve his precious institution? 

Ooops! Same problem we have had with the Sanat / Mukunda UK / Prahlad UK / Pancali / Janardan / HKC Jaipur team, they all screamed in horror when they found out we were stopping their program of tossing ISKCON's children into their molester messiah's worshiping wood chipper. These folks -- and their GBC friendly allies -- were actually very ANGRY that their anus reconstructive surgery epidemic was being curtailed. Amazing, what the world needs more of is, child raping epidemics. Then we wonder why there are problems? We need to preserve worship a child raping process, to save God's institution? On what planet?, (OK hell). Sulochana said these people are "boot lickers for the butt busters." Hmmm, sums them up quite well, eh what?  

Wait? Is this not what all sorts of people call "institutional -- ritualistic Satanic child abuse"? There is "the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles as gurus regime," and GGM is one of the "enforcers" and indeed he is their resident high priest brahmana / sadhu scholar, who writes position papers for the GBC, to defend their process. GGM stood up at the GBC meeting crying that they were going to remove Tamal. Why would we want to remove the people who are generating $400,000,000 child molesting lawsuits in Dallas -- against ISKCON?

Worship of deviants:

A REQUIRED ELEMENT in GOD'S INSTITUTION? 

Or else God's worship will collapse!

Where does God say this is required in

HIS institution?

Why would we want contaminated souls to be worshiped as God's successors in any event? That is to say -- if we had an ounce of respect for God. Narayan Maharaja created the same issue. He said ALL of the ISKCON disciples are ALL monkeys. OK fine. Agreed. Ooops! Then he said, but 11 of these monkeys are Krishna's successors and gurus. OK, can you start splaining' to us how 11 monkeys are God's worshiped successors? They are monkeys, therefore they are God's successors, what could go wrong here pilgrims! 

Did we forget to mention that worship of conditioned souls as gurus DESTROYS institutions, and destroys the lives of thousands of the citizens of that institution. Srila Prabhupada says that worship of mundane conditioned souls as gurus -- makes their whole institution also -- mundane. 

And lest we forget, "we become what we worship." So -- if we have a society that worships pedophiles, deviants, sexual predators, and crooks etc., then we later pretend to wonder why we have problems with these issues in our society? (A) We become what we worship. Therefore, (B) lets worship sexual predators and crooks! That will (C) save -- the institution? The institution of -- what?    

First of all! There is no such thing as a mundane "organizational acharya." Rather the acharyas always condemn the worship of mundane organizations and their "self appointed" acharyas. And since the GBC's gurus are sometimes prone to be sexual predators, if not illicit sex with men, women and children deviants, porno swamis etc. -- why would we want the children of any society to worship such deviants as their acharyas? And wasn't the result of the GGM plan the MASS ALIENATION of most of the children of ISKCON, who mostly left in disgust, if not sued the institution for their horrific abuses. 

Where in the Vedas does it say, "make your children worship homosexuals, pedophiles, sexual predators, drunkards, drug addicts, if not criminals as -- their gurus"? Ok that is not found in the Vedas. And if the children do not worship pedophiles and deviants as their messiahs the mission (of Satan?) will collapse?

To tell children to worship sexual predators and their gurus -- all the while knowing -- these children are prone to become what they worship -- on the principle people often become that which they worship -- then what is the result we are trying to achieve here? Lets have our children worship Satan, Stalin, Rasputin, Jack the Ripper, Al Capone, ummm, because they will then become what they worship? And that will preserve -- the empire of God? Or Satan?   

None of this makes sense? Or it makes a lot of sense, if the aim and object is to produce contaminated souls aka "atma hana" killers of the soul.  

Children need to worship homosexuals, pedophiles, drunks and / or various crooks and criminals as their messiahs, because otherwise the institution will fail. OK wait, if that is the policy, then the institution has already failed. 

"They want to be gurus. They want some position. This is all material and nothing else." So they wanted a position, which means they have material motivation. Why would we allow such people to become worshiped as God's successors? They are material, and nothing else, so let us have them worshiped as God's messiahs? They are material, nothing else, so we should have our children worship them, and then we make pretend we are shocked our children later reject the religion?

We should make the world worship the materially conditioned, and nothing else? Again, none of this is stated in shastra. We have to get people to worship mundane people who are materially motivated, and these are the people we give acharya titles to? They are material, and nothing else, so lets worship them as God's successors. Ooops, if the material and corrupted is God's successor, that makes God material and corrupted.

The problem for people like GGM is, he will then have to explain to Lord Yamaraja why he wants people to worship his illicit sex with men, women and children deviants as God's successors process. You can maybe fool some of us Kali Yuga citizen fools here, but you can never fool Lord Yamaraja and the agents of God. ys pd   angel108b@yahoo.com

Hrdayananda Swami Favors Original Books

 [PADA: Makes some good points, and some not so good, but to make originals is the main theme and he supports that. I personally see no need to make annotations, footnotes, and big appendixes. Just leave it "As It Is." ys pd]

MMD: Krishna Devotees Getting Salary (ISKCON)

Bernie: Being Used for

"Burnt Out Prabhupada Disciples Meme"

Hee hee!

(Apologies in advance to Bernie)

[PADA: This is regarding ISKCON advertising to give a salary for a "Rathayatra Coordinator," among many other ads for temple managers, pujaris etc. also advertising "service to Krishna" -- with a salary.] 

MMD: I am saddened by all your responses! And remember they still need a lot of the volunteers to show up at the festivals! So I hope to see you all there. Because I’ve been to all the festivals and I don’t see too many people volunteering to help out. 

So, at least they’re paying people so that the festival can actually occur! So if they do pay these two people, how about 10 more of you all jump on that wagon and help them out for free. Maybe if more people, especially around here in Alachua -supposedly there are thousands of devotees - yet I see the same 20 of them at the temple? 

This is not a one time deal?! They are asking somebody to commit themselves and serve HDG Srila Prabhupada for now and the future ... And while it is service, and yes we all agree we wish people didn’t have to get paid for doing devotional service, but here in Alachua there’s not one Ratha Yatra, there are 6!!

So, for those who want to dedicate their life to it and cannot live in the temple where they can get everything for free such as their food and rent …  but need to actually pay bills on the outside, but still want to serve HDG Srila Prabhupada, this is a wonderful opportunity! 

How many people do they need on Sundays? Nobody even helps volunteer on Sundays to cook the feast with Sanka? I see them post constantly asking more people to go out for book distribution and Harinam. I’m hoping you’re just sad that it’s to the point that people have to get paid … versus the fact that devotee's are actually encouraging devotee's to be a part of this movement. Because it is the movement that is turning people away not the fact that somebody’s getting paid for their service!

You mentioned the higher ups … they should be running this like a captain runs his ship. But we all recognize there are some flaws in a big movement that has become a business like every other church … everybody was willing to do so much service in the old days, was because of the old days you felt the power of love, protection, guidance, and inclination to want to serve somebody who is trustworthy, honest, and the well wisher of all. 

Unfortunately people have walked away from this movement because we all understand the division that has been taking place. People are walking away because they are not feeling protected here, because they are being guided by some who have harmed many, and serving those of whom many question whether they are everybody’s well wishers or self-centered looking to prosper financially. 

So let’s keep the focus where it needs to be, and let’s take pride that some devotees are encouraging families and those who need an income to still be able to serve and pay their bills.

[PADA: This always begs the question, serving -- but serving what, which and whose mission? If we are serving the GBC's mission, then most people feel that is not serving Krishna's or Srila Prabhupada's. Hence, we need to attract people with a salary, or they won't serve voluntarily --at least in many / maybe most cases.

One devotee from Alachua told me the community there is "burnt out Prabhupada disciples, sitting around gossiping, waiting to get a sweet ball at the Sunday feast." Who wants to serve that? So the dynamic preaching has been replaced with a sort of gossip club with little potency or ability to recruit new people. And that is also why this devotee has had to leave that community, "a retirement home for the weak and compromised."

Alachua itself seems to be hosting the GBC's guru program, i.e. the illicit sex with men, women and children "chain of gurus from God" ideology. That itself is not going to attract people. Who wants to serve the illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara?

LD says that Narayan Maharaja preaches: (A) that gurus never fall down, and then (B) he supports Tamal and the GBC which says gurus are often illicit sex with men, women and children sexual predators. So NM is trying to confuse the innocent public with word jugglery, which is what Srila Prabhupada often warned us about. In any event, if they are down to attracting people with salary, that means they are running out of rabbits to pull out of their hat. And the virus problem has choked down their income, making it hard to pay salary.

Maybe Krishna wanted all of us to learn, the hard way? There is no way that replacing the worship of pure devotees with the worship of mundane deviants is ever going to work. It is a failed idea, and a lost cause, right out of the gate. Meanwhile we are attracting people who DO want to do things voluntarily -- without getting a salary. They want to serve Krishna because, they want to serve Krishna. No salary required. That was always the process, and will always be the process. ys pd]   

Narayan Maharaj Defeats: Himself?

PADA: Yep! Anyone who does not help Tamal's illicit sex acharya's program --

And who worships pure devotees and not debauchees -- must be avoided!

Narayan Maharaja: “In our line there is guru, there is śikṣā-guru, there is caitya-guru, there is śravaṇa-guru, there is patha-pradarśaka-guru - so many gurus. Why go to these bogus ṛtviks? 

[PADA: The "ritviks" are brahmanas (priests) and / or neophyte laymen who are not yet acharyas, so they are preaching on behalf of the acharyas. Why should we "avoid" the people who are preaching about Krishna? He never explains.

All of Srila Prabhupada's devotees were doing that type preaching already the whole time, and that is the process he established. The "patha-pradasaka guru" (one who shows the path) would ALSO be in this category, an agent, a person who is preaching on behalf of the acharya. 

Wait! Narayan Maharaja says there is a patha-pradarsaka guru (a ritvik or a representative) but then -- there is not such thing as the patha-pradarsaka guru? He is arguing with himself.  

In 1984 Narayan Maharaja was helping the ISKCON GBC's Satsvarupa write "The Guru Reform Notebook," which establishes that acharyas are often debauchees, drunks, sexual predators -- and even criminals. And as such, Krishna's successors and acharyas need to be "reformed" for being drunk, disorderly, sexual predators and other similar deviations. OK so we should avoid the people who say pure devotees are pure and are not deviants (the ritviks), and we should instead promote the people who say acharyas are often fallen, and even sexual predators, criminals and sahajiyas etc.?

Why does Narayan Maharaja help the ISKCON GBC ghost write bogus "Guru Reform" pamphlets, and he becomes the hand maiden of the party that says acharyas are often debauchees -- and that acharyas need to often be reformed for deviations; AND we should avoid anyone who says acharyas are not reform school deviants? And at the same time, the GBC / NM "Guru Reform" process was establishing that the first wave of gurus (i.e. the drunk and disorderly and debauchee class etc.) should "2/3 show of hands" vote in more gurus. 

*** Narayan Maharaja has never explained what is a deviant acharya who needs to be "reformed" for deviations? Where is his guru reform process mentioned in shastra? 

*** And why would Narayan Maharaja want assorted debauchees / or their cheer leaders to vote in more acharyas, in the first place? Why would any bona fide acharya even want "the votes" of debauchee guru programs in the first place? 

*** And which previous acharyas were debauchees who needed reform? Etc.!]     

NM: Be very far away from them. Be careful about them. We should be very careful about māyāvādīs, sahajiyās, and all nirviśeṣavādīs. You know that in our guru-paramparā line Brahmā has never fallen down, Nārada has never fallen down, and Śrī Vyāsa and Śrī Śukadeva Gosvāmī have also never fallen down. 

[PADA: Wait? You are supporting the GBC's gurus like Tamal, and their acharyas are falling down left, right and center? Gurus never fall down? And that is why you were helping Satsvarupa with their guru reform process? Now you are saying that none of the acharyas EVER fall down, after saying the acharyas fall down and need reform? And NM was always hanging out with Tamal, and the other leaders of the illicit sex with men, women and children guru party. He is arguing with himself!]

You know Mādhavendra Purī and Īśvara Purīpāda; they never fell down. You know that Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmī, Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī and all the other six gosvāmīs, Śrīla Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja Gosvāmī, Śrīla Narottama Dāsa Ṭhākura, and after that Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura, Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, Śrīla Prabhupāda Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī, my Gurudeva Oṁ Viṣṇupāda Śrī Śrīmad Bhakti Prajñāna Keśava Gosvāmī Mahārāja, and my śikṣā-guru Śrīla [A.C.] Bhaktivedānta Svāmī Mahārāja - none of them ever fell down. They cannot fall down. They are actual gurus. One should select a guru like them. However, even if you have not as yet done so, you can think about it more and more.”

[PADA: Yes, but as soon as someone selects a guru of this category, then NM says they are bogus ritviks? So -- we should ONLY worship a pure devotee, but as soon as anyone worships a pure devotee, he is a bogus ritvik? And instead we should associate with and promote GBC folks like Tamal and his illicit sex with men, women and children acharyas program. 

This is called hypocrisy. OK Narayan Maharaja has no idea what he is talking about, gurus do not fall down, but anyone who says gurus do not fall down should be avoided because they are bogus. We should help Tamal and his illicit sex with men, women and children acharya's program. 

OK really? Say what? 

ys pd]

—Paramgurudeva Śrī Śrīmad Bhaktivedānta Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārajā. July 30, 2000. Moscow 

Don't Be Depressed or Feel Alone (SP Quotes)

[Radha Krishna art  @ angel108b@yahoo.com]

Don't be depressed or feel alone:

"I understand that you are feeling my absence. Krishna will give you strength. Physical presence is immaterial; presence of the transcendental sound received from the spiritual master should be the guidance of life. That will make our spiritual life successful. If you feel very strongly about my absence you may place my pictures on my sitting places and this will be source of inspiration for you."
January 19, 1967)

"But always remember that I am always with you. As you are always thinking of me I am always thinking of you also. Although physically we are not together, we are not separated spiritually. So we should be concerned only with this spiritual connection."November 13, 1969)

"To feel separation from the Spiritual Master or Krishna is very good position. That means one who is in pure love with Krishna and His Representative, Spiritual Master, he thinks always of Them. And this thinking process is Krishna consciousness. If we can think always of Krishna even in separation, that is Krishna Consciousness. And in the absolute platform, there is no difference of separation and meeting. The separation is also meeting, rather in separation one relishes the loving relationship more tasty. So don't be disappointed that you are separated from me, I am also always thinking of you how you are making progress there." October 21, 1968)

"Spiritual Master is along with you by his words. Just like my Spiritual Master is not physically present, but I am associating with him by his words." August 18, 1971)

"As far as my blessing is concerned, it does not require my physical presence. If you are chanting Hare Krishna there, and following my instructions, reading the books, taking only Krishna prasadam etc., then there is no question of your not receiving the blessings of Lord Chaitanya, whose mission I am humbly trying to push on." June 30, 1974)

"So we should associate by vibration, and not by the physical presence. That is real association."
June 18, 1968 )

"There are two words, vani and vapuh. Vani means words, andvapuh means this physical body. So vani is more important than the vapuh. Vapuh will be finished. This is material body. It will be finished. That is the nature. But if we keep to the vani, to the words of spiritual master, then we remain very fixed up. It doesn't matter. Just like Bhagavad-gita. It was spoken five thousand years ago. But if you keep to the words of Krishna, then it is always fresh and guiding. Not that because Arjuna personally listened to Krishna about the instruction ofBhagavad-gita, therefore he knew it. That is not the fact. If you accept Bhagavad-gita as it is, then you should know that Krishna is present before you in His words in the Bhagavad-gita. This is called spiritual realization." March 2, 1975)

"When we feel separation from Krishna or the Spiritual Master, we should just try to remember their words or instructions, and we will no longer feel that separation. Such association with Krishna and the Spiritual Master should be association by vibration not physical presence. That is real association."
(Elevation to Krishna Consciousness, p. 57)

"Reception of spiritual knowledge is never checked by any material condition."7.7.1, Purport)

"The potency of transcendental sound is never minimized because the vibrator is apparently absent."
SB 2.9.8, Purport)

"So although a physical body is not present, the vibration should be accepted as the presence of the spiritual master, vibration. What we have heard from the Spiritual Master, that is living." January 13, 1969)

"Krishna is almighty and is especially the cause of fearlessness for the devotees. A devotee of the Lord is always fearless because of the protection given by the Lord. Material existence is something like a blazing fire in the forest, which can be extinguished by the mercy of the Lord Sri Krishna. The spiritual master is the mercy representative of the Lord. Therefore, a person burning in the flames of material existence may receive the rains of mercy of the Lord through the transparent medium of the self-realized spiritual master. The spiritual master, by his words, can penetrate into the heart of the suffering person and inject knowledge transcendental, which alone can extinguish the fire of material existence." SB1.7.22, Purport

"I also do not feel separation from my Guru Maharaja. When I am engaged in his service, his pictures give me sufficient strength. To serve master's word is more important than to serve him physically."
(July 7, 1970)

"Regarding your request for your deliverance from the clutches of Maya, please rest assured of being delivered, because we have captured the strong chain of disciplic succession. This chain is coming down from the highest platform, Krishna. Just like a rope comes down the well so that anyone who may catch the rope from any position is sure to be delivered; so our aim should be to not give up the rope. We must capture the rope very tightly. 

"Then our deliverance is assured. So far as I am concerned, in relationship with my disciples who are so kindly cooperating with me in the matter of my rendering service to my Spiritual Master, for them I am always ready to come back from Goloka Vrindaban, if they are not delivered along with me. So don't be worried about the clutches of Maya. Be fixed up in your determination and go on serving the Supreme Lord, Krishna, with determination as you are already doing." November 15, 1969)

"So far as I am concerned, I have accepted you as my disciple and you have accepted me as your spiritual father. This relationship cannot be ended anymore. It is eternal." (July 9, 1969)

"Please be happy in separation. I am separated from my Guru Maharaja since 1936 but I am always with him so long I work according to his direction. So we should all work together for satisfying Lord Krishna and in that way the feelings of separation will transform into transcendental bliss."
(May 3, 1968)

"So continue your activities with great vigor. I shall always pray to Krishna for your steady advance, but try to follow the principles which are necessary to strengthen oneself in the matter of spiritual advance. Never think that I am absent from you. Physical presence is not essential; presence by message (or hearing) is real touch. Lord Krishna is present by His message which was delivered 5,000 years ago. We feel always the presence of our past Acaryas simply by their immutable instructions. I hope you will understand me right and do the needful." (August 2, 1967)

"The Spiritual Master is present wherever his sincere disciple is trying to serve his instructions. This is possible by the Mercy of Krsna. In your attempts to serve me and in all your sincere devotional sentiments I am with you as my Guru Maharaja is with me. Remember this always." Dec 1, 1973

I am always with you. Never mind if I am physically absent." (September 16, 1967)

"I shall remain your personal guidance, physically present or not physically, as I am getting personal guidance from my Guru Maharaj." (Vrindavan, July 14, 1977)

"In the spiritual world, separation is more relishable than meeting. In other words, in spiritual life, there is no separation. Separation is eternal, and meeting is also eternal. The separation is simply another feature of meeting." (April 3, 1969)

"There is no difference between me and my picture. Therefore we should honor and keep pictures in that spirit. If we throw pictures this way and that way, that is offense. The name and picture are as good as the person in spiritual world. In the material world either picture or person, everything is illusion." (September 4, 1972)

"Next you ask if I am present in my picture and form? Yes. In form as well as in teachings. To carry out the teachings of guru is more important than to worship the form, but none of them should be neglected. Form is called vapu and teachings is called vani. Both should be worshiped. Vani is more important than vapu." (December 14, 1972)

"In my room at Radha Damodara Temple you should keep one photo of me and offer to it Prasadam of Sri Radha Damodara." (March 18, 1977)

"There are two conceptions: the physical conception and the vibration conception. So physical conception is temporary. The vibration conception is eternal. Just like we are enjoying or we are relishing the vibration of Krishna's teachings. So by vibration He is present. As soon as we chant Hare Krishna or chantBhagavad-gita or Bhagavata, so He is present immediately by His vibration. He's absolute. Therefore vibration is more important than physical presence. When you feel separation from your spiritual master you just try to remember his words of instruction; you'll not feel separation. 

"You'll feel that he is with you. So we should associate by the vibration, and not by the physical presence. That is real association. Sabdad anavrtti. By sound. Just like we are touching Krishna immediately by sound. Sound vibration. So we should give more stress on the sound vibration, either of Krishna or of the spiritual master. Then we'll feel happy and no separation. When Kṛṣṇa departed from this world, at that time Arjuna was overwhelmed with sorrow and he began to remember the instruction of Bhagavad-gita. 

"You'll find in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. Then he was pacified. He immediately began to remember the teachings which was taught to him in the Battlefield of Kuruksetra, and he was pacified. He was his constant friend, so when Krishna went to His abode he was feeling overwhelmed, but he began to remember His teaching. So whenever we shall feel separation, the best thing is to remember the teachings. Then it will be very nice. Is that clear? Yes. So you can chant Hare Krishna." (Lecture, Montreal, August 18, 1968)

"Krishna and His representative is the same. Just like Krishna can be present simultaneously in millions of places. Similarly, the Spiritual Master also can be present wherever the disciple wants. A Spiritual Master is the principle, not the body. Just like a television can be seen in thousands of places by the principle of relay monitoring." (Letter, May 28, 1968)

"It is sometimes misunderstood that if one has to associate with persons engaged in devotional service, he will not be able to solve the economic problem. To answer this argument, it is described here that one has to associate with liberated persons not directly, physically, but by understanding, through philosophy and logic, the problems of life." (SB 3.31.48, Purport)

"If you think of me and work for me, then I am in your heart. If you love somebody he is in your heart. It is common thing, everyone understands it.", (September 4, 1972)

"What is this alone? Vaisnava is never alone. When I first came to the United States I was seemingly alone for one year. But I never felt alone. I always felt the presence of my Guru Maharaja. Myself, I was cooking, I was printing books, I was selling books, everything seemingly alone. But I did not lose my determination. Actually you should know this, you are never alone." (December 27, 1974)

"You are doing solid work, even alone, and I am very pleased. This is the test for a sincere devotee. Simply by depending on the mercy of the Lord and carrying out the order of the spiritual master, one's success in spiritual life is guaranteed. I thank you for your endeavor." (November 4, 1975)

"I thank you very much and all the devotees for offering me a garland daily as you were doing when I was physically present. If a disciple is constantly engaged in carrying out the instructions of the Spiritual Master he is supposed to be constantly in company with hs Spiritual Master. This is called Vaniseva. So there are two kinds of service to the Spiritual Master. 

"One is called vaniseva and the other is called vapuseva. Vaniseva means as above mentioned, executing the instructions, and vapuseva means physically or personally rendering service. So in the absence of physical presentation of the Spiritual Master the vaniseva is more important. My Spiritual Master, Sarasvati Gosvami Thakura, may appear to be physically not present, but still because I try to serve His instruction I never feel separated from Him. I expect that all of you should follow these instructions." (Letter, August 22, 1970)

"If you don't keep in touch with the original link, then it will be lost. And if you keep touch with the original link, then you are directly hearing Krishna. Similarly, Krishna and Krishna's representative, spiritual master, if you keep always intact, in link with the words and instruction of the superior authorities, then you are always fresh. This is spiritual understanding." (March 2, 1975)

"So there are two phases, prakata and aprakata, appearance and disappearance. So we have nothing to lament on account of disappearance because Krishna and Krishna's devotee... Not only devotees, even the nondevotees, nobody disappears. Nobody disappears because every living entity... As Krishna is eternal... It is confirmed in the Vedic literature, nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam (Katha Upanisad 2.2.13)." (Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati's Disappearance Day Lecture, Los Angeles, December 13, 1973)

"The disciple and spiritual master are never separated because the spiritual master always keeps company with the disciple as long as the disciple follows strictly the instructions of the spiritual master. This is called the association of vani. Physical presence is called vapuh. As long as the spiritual master is physically present, the disciple should serve the physical body of the spiritual master, and when the spiritual master is no longer physically existing, the disciple should serve the instructions of the spiritual master." (SB.28,47, Purport)

"You can associate with Krishna by reading Bhagavad-gita. And these saintly persons, they have given their explanations, comments. So where is the difficulty? Everyone is helping you." (Morning Walk, Paris, June 11, 1974)

"The secret of success in the matter of Krishna Consciousness is devotion to the Lord and the Spiritual Master. In the Vedas, the secret of success is described as follows:

Yasya deve para bhakti yatha deve tatha gurau
Yasya ete kathotha hi artha prakasyanta mahatmanah

"Anyone who has developed unflinching faith in the Lord and the Spiritual Master can understand the revealed scripture unfold before him.' So continue your present aptitude and you will be successful in your spiritual progress. I am sure that even if I am not physically present before you. Still you will be able to execute all spiritual duties in the matter of Krishna Consciousness; if you follow the above principles." (September 29, 1967)

"We are not separated actually. There are two - Vani or Vapuh - so Vapu is physical presence and Vani is presence by the vibration, but they are all the same." (letter, June 22, 1970)

"So in the absence of physical presentation of the spiritual master, the Vaniseva is more important. My Spiritual Master Sarsavati Goswami, may appear to be physically not present, but still because I try to serve his instruction, I never feel separated from him." (August 22, 1970)

"So my Guru Maharaj will be very, very much pleased upon you and bless you with all benefits... It is not that he is dead and gone. That is not spiritual understanding. Even ordinary living being, he does not die. Na hanyate hanyamane sarire (BG 2.20). And what to speak of such exalted authorized personality like Bhaktisiddhanta. He is seeing. I never feel that I am alone."
(Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati's Appearance Day Lecture, Atlanta, March 2, 1975)

"Yes I am glad that your centre is doing so well and all the devotees are now appreciating the presence of their spiritual master by following his instructions, although he is no longer present. This is the right spirit." (September 13, 1970)

"He lives forever by his divine instructions, and the follower lives with him."
(Srimad-Bhagavatam Dedication to Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Maharaja)

"He reasons ill who tells that Vaishnavas die,
When thou art living still in sound!
The Vaishnavas die to live, and living try
To spread the holy name around!"
(Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura)


"Just like I am working, so my Guru Maharaja is there, Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati. Physically he may not be, but in every action he is there. I think actually I have written that... So I am not going to die. Kirtir yasya sa jivati: 'One who has done something substantial, he lives forever.' He doesn't die. Even in our practical life... Of course, this is material, karma-phala. One has to accept another body according to his karma. But for devotee there is no such thing. He always accepts a body for serving Krishna. So there is no karma-phala." (Conversation, Vrindavan, May 27, 1977)

"All of you please chant Hare Krishna, and hear the sound vibration, and serve Krishna and Spiritual Master to your best capacity and everything will be all right." (Letter, October 6, 1968)

Christian Theologian Decries Church's Political Affiliations

 https://www.yahoo.com/news/theologian-russell-moore-message-christians-105532758.html

[PADA: Yep, the Church should not hitch its wagon to dubious mundane political leaders. Same thing for Krishna devotees, some of whom have got all bent out of shape over USA politics (and they send me links to various essays on this topic). To connect the religion to various political agendas is distorting the original message of the religion, and is causing people to reject the religion -- which they are seeing more as a political vehicle -- than a path to God. 

This is alienating people AWAY from the religion. 

Evidently, this is causing more -- especially younger folks -- to list themselves as "atheists" in surveys in "The Bible Belt." The Church has to be careful what it supports, and ISKCON also needs to be careful what it supports, including bogus political agendas -- and bogus gurus. This guy is right, the message of Jesus should not be hi-jacked by political hacks. Goody! 

And furthermore, this writer thinks the recent insurrection raid on the Capital was also connected to distorted teachings from various religious leaders. And this is making the religion look just a little bit -- fanatical if not dangerous -- never mind full of false prophets. About the same as ISKCON, people saw that the religion was being overtaken by criminal actions, and the original purpose was being hi-jacked. 

Ditto process. In sum, when God and / or His purpose and agenda are misrepresented, then this can create a wave of people rejecting God and His original message. That will cause more deteriorating conditions in the society. In the name of saving people from the Devil, they will become the best recruiters for the Devil. This is also described in the Vedas, in Kali Yuga there will be a giant out cropping of false religious teachers, and they will lead the society downhill and not uplift the citizens. We should not become part of that process.   

ys pd]     

ISKM Review of 2020

 

Jayapataka swami "I Take The Karma of ALL Devotees"

Self Advertised Karma Vacuum Cleaner

Jayapataka Swami:

Not only my Karma, but I have to take Karma of all devotees.

I saw the offered extra rounds and chanted Nrsimha Kavaca, Tulasī Parikrama and Tulasī offerings.

I am very grateful for all the devotees and of course not only my own karma but I have to take all the karma of the devotees. So, only by Kṛṣṇa’s mercy, am I somehow surviving. I want all devotees to actually read Prabhupāda books and complete the exams Bhakti-vedānta etc. so that they can fulfill Prabhupāda’s order to expand the number of ācāryas in the world.

Extra Rounds: 14,54,842

Nṛsiṁha Kavaca: 3,93,711

Tulasī Parikrama: 2,37,648

Tulasī offerings: 5,37,475

[PADA: Yes, as a matter of fact, I am another Jesus and thus I can absorb the sins of ALL of the devotees! And that is why our guru sabha keeps having "gurus" who: get sick; fall down; make giant scandals in the newspapers; bankrupt ISKCON with a child molesting infrastructure; orchestrate murders; "engage in illicit sex with men, women and children"; and -- often -- die prematurely. That is how we show we are qualified to absorb sins! 

Nope! 

Srila Prabhupada says only a pure devotee can absorb sins because his BRAHMANA TEJYAS burns off the sins, so he is not affected. Self-evidently these GBC guys are not brahmana tejyas qualified souls. Did I forget to mention Srila Prabhupada told ALL of us that we NEOPHYTES should not absorb sins, or we will act as diksha gurus and get sick, fall down, or both -- and many of them died? 

They also do not realize that Srila Prabhupada says an unqualified guru TAKES THE SINS with him into the next life, where he is cast into hellish planets to work off the karma he has taken. And the followers go there with the bogus guru as well because their sins are ALSO not RESOLVED. 

This is amazing, people sometimes tell me "these guys are so humble." Yep! "I am another Jesus," how humble is that? And Bhakti Vikas swami ilk are encouraging these people to take all these sins, and rot in hell as a result. And suffer even in this lifetime. Good advice? You tell us? ys pd]

Treat Animals With Kindness (SP Quotes)

 http://theharekrishnamovement.com/2021/01/animals-and-innocent-creatures/?

Portland Bhakti Center Launches

 https://iskconnews.org/new-portland-bhakti-center-launches-serves-friday-feasts-to-go,7654/?

[PADA: He drifted off because his first guru "left his position." Sorry, Srila Prabhupada says that a pure devotee cannot be brought to the material plane. Their gurus are falling down, and this guy, and thousands and thousands and thousands of others, OK maybe millions or billions, have drifted away from ISKCON. That is why a devotee wrote to PADA to say, will the last guy to leave ISKCON at least turn out the lights? 

So they are driving this person and many thousands more away with their bogus "gurus are leaving their position" idea, and they are not even apologizing? They are proud of their gurus are falling down left, right and center preaching, which is alienating people left, right and center. This person "came back," but came back to what? Their idea that gurus are having illicit sex with men, women and children? This is not coming back to ISKCON, it is coming back to illusion. 

Anyway, he is a least going to invite some of the old timer Srila Prabhupada's devotees there. Maybe they can inform him that the ACTUAL guru parampara from Krishna does not include illicit sex with men, women and children. Now they are saying that gurus in the parampara "leave their position," as if being a member of the parampara is like being in a position like manager of the local cell phone shop. 

Well ... he left his position. Nope, guru is not "a position" it is not some title we bestow on others, it is a person who is a resident of Krishna loka, not "a position" granted by an illicit sex with men, women and children guru sabha. 

A lady is writing me now from India, just shocked at the standards the GBC is making for Krishna's successors, i.e. illicit sex with men, women and children. She says it is so sick, she did not believe me at first. Now she realizes, yep, that is what they are preaching. Goody, she now says, she will never be fooled by them again! It is officially OVER. We hope these Portland guys come to the same conclusion eventually. 

And if they wanted to comment they should write angel108b@yahoo.com. 

ys pd]         

Evangelical Meltdown Continues (From NY Times)

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/14/opinion/trump-evangelicals.html?

Trump Ignites a War Within the Church

After a week of Trumpist mayhem, white evangelicals wrestle with what they’ve become.

“Over the last 72 hours, I have received multiple death threats and thousands upon thousands of emails from Christians saying the nastiest and most vulgar things I have ever heard toward my family and ministry. I have been labeled a coward, sellout, a traitor to the Holy Spirit, and cussed out at least 500 times.”

This is the beginning of a Facebook post from Sunday by the conservative preacher Jeremiah Johnson. On Jan. 7, the day after the storming of the Capitol, Johnson had issued a public apology, asserting that God removed Donald Trump from office because of his pride and arrogance, and to humble those, like Johnson, who had fervently supported him.

The response was swift and vicious. As he put it in that later Facebook post, “I have been flabbergasted at the barrage of continued conspiracy theories being sent every minute our way and the pure hatred being unleashed. To my great heartache, I’m convinced parts of the prophetic / charismatic movement are far SICKER than I could have ever dreamed of.”

This is what is happening inside evangelical Christianity and within conservatism right now. As a conservative Christian friend of mine put it, there is strife within every family, within every congregation, and it may take generations to recover.

On the one hand, there are those who are doubling down on their Trump fanaticism and their delusion that a Biden presidency will destroy America.
“I rebuke the news in the name of Jesus. We ask that this false garbage come to an end,” the conservative pastor Tim Remington preached from the pulpit in Idaho on Sunday. “It’s the lies, communism, socialism.”

The violent Know-Nothingism, which has always coursed through American history, is once again a torrent, threatening more violence in the days ahead.
On the other hand, many Trump supporters have been shaken to the core by the sight of a sacrilegious mob blasting Christian pop music and chanting “Hang Mike Pence.” 

There have been defections and second thoughts. The Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, who delivered a prayer at the Trump inaugural, told his congregation Sunday, “We must all repent, even the church needs to repent.”

The Trump-supporting Texas pastor John Hagee declared: “This was an assault on law. Attacking the Capitol was not patriotism, it was anarchy.”

After staying basically level for four years, Trump’s approval ratings dropped roughly 10 points across several polls in a week. The most popular piece on the Christianity Today website is headlined, “We Worship With the Magi, Not MAGA.” 

In the world of secular conservatism, The Wall Street Journal editorial page called on Trump to resign. Addressing Trump supporters, the conservative talk show host Erick Erickson wrote, “Everything — from the storming of the Capitol to people getting killed to social networks banning you to corporations not giving you money — everything is a logical consequence of you people lying relentlessly for two months and taking advantage of American patriots.”

One core feature of Trumpism is that it forces you to betray every other commitment you might have: to the truth, moral character, the Sermon on the Mount, conservative principles, the Constitution. In defeat, some people are finally not willing to sacrifice all else on Trump’s altar.

The split we are seeing is not theological or philosophical. It’s a division between those who have become detached from reality and those who, however right wing, are still in the real world.

Hence, it’s not an argument. You can’t argue with people who have their own separate made-up set of facts. You can’t have an argument with people who are deranged by the euphoric rage of what Erich Fromm called group narcissism — the thoughtless roar of those who believe their superior group is being polluted by alien groups.

It’s a pure power struggle. The weapons in this struggle are intimidation, verbal assault, death threats and violence, real and rhetorical. The fantasyland mobbists have an advantage because they relish using these weapons, while their fellow Christians just want to lead their lives.

The problem is, how do you go about reattaching people to reality? David French, the conservative Christian writer who fought in the Iraq war, says the way to build a sane G.O.P. is to borrow a page from the counterinsurgency handbook: Separate the insurgents from the population.

That means prosecuting the rioters, impeaching the president and not tolerating cyberterrorism within a community or congregation. Others have to be reminded of the basic rules for perceiving reality. They have to be reminded that all truth is God’s truth; that inquiry strengthens faith, that it is narcissistic self-idolatry to think you can create your own truth based on what you “feel.” There will probably have to be pastors and local leaders who model and admire evidence-based reasoning, wrestling with ideas.

On the left, leaders and organizations have arisen to champion open inquiry, to stand up to the cancel mobs. They have begun to shift the norms.
The problem on the right is vastly worse. But we have seen that unreason is a voracious beast. If it is not confronted, it devours not only your party, but also your nation and your church.

PADA: I believe there are some are some parallels to the recent events in the USA, and ISKCON. First of all, after 1978 ISKCON managers started to assume "unquestioned guru" posts -- that they were not qualified for, and anyone who objected was branded as a traitor, offender, dissenter, and basically a non-ISKCON patriot. 

There was a lot of flag waving "you are either with us (the new gurus) of you are a dangerous element that is trying to destroy ISKCON." And now we have a situation where anyone who objects to the "unquestioned leaders" of the White House are branded as non-patriots, if not traitors etc. 

And so -- a fanatical atmosphere was generated in both cases, where real problems could not be addressed because the whole focus now was on keeping the leaders in posts of power, and silencing the rabble rousing critics. OK that stifles and constipates most practical managing from being done properly. 

And then the GBC removed most of the "senior managers" and replaced them with much younger sycophants who really did not understand the philosophy hardly at at, never mind they had little or no managing experience. And most of the senior managers of the USA were removed -- and replaced with sycophants, but they too had the same issues, little experience with the programs they were supposed to manage. 

And then again, many times there was not really anyone replacing the people who were removed creating "a managing vacuum." In short, a personality cult does not replace a management structure, whether it is the ISKCON Governing Body being dismantled to make a personality cult process, or the USA governing process being dismantled to make a sort of personality cult process. The only good news is that gradually, people are realizing -- replacing managerial bodies with an alleged "superior" -- but defective conditioned soul -- does not always work. OK it rarely ever works. 

We are glad that more and more people are saying, we need to separate Jesus from the "conservative Christian" program, and we need to separate Krishna from the bogus GBC guru program. Good progress, albeit a day late and a dollar short. ys pd   

https://www.christianpost.com/news/wheaton-college-laments-use-of-jesus-name-during-capitol-riot.html?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-american-christianity-needs-honest-160336600.html