Wednesday, September 30, 2015
House Arrest for Young "Godwoman"
[PADA: Father is being charged with making money from her saintly profile. ys pd]
UPDATE: Now she wants to go to school --
http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2015/10/01/agra-living-goddess-samadi_n_8224726.html?
Tuesday, September 29, 2015
Prithu Das slams Hrdayananda's Krishna West
[PADA: Prithu das has supported the GBC's guru program, which promoted Kirtanananda and many other deviants as their acharyas. Now he says, they already knew Kirtanananda had a tendency to change things up from the late 1960s.
Why then did people like Prithu promote Kirtanananda as a guru in 1977, if he knew he had a tendency to deviate? And why was Prithu voted in as guru by the same people who promoted Kirtanananda and reinstated Bhavananda? And what is the GBC doing now about removing Hrdayananda and his supporters like Bir Krishna swami, apart from what Prithu says herein is "lip service"?
If Hrdayananda is bogus, why hasn't Prithu's GBC stopped him from using the title of "ISKCON"? And why did Prithu rip up our book (with a photo of Srila Prabhupada on the cover) saying that our idea of worship of Srila Prabhupada is bogus? Does Prithu still think these GBC are gurus or what?
Anyway, if the GBC are promoting things that are not authorized, why has Prithu been their biggest defender? And if this is like Jesus vs Judas as Prithu says, then why has Prithu not brought all this up a long time ago? Anyway better late than never, but its a day late and a dollar short.
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"I joined ISKCON in 1971. I know this movement.. I noticed the erosion of ISKCON about a year after the departure of Srila Prabhupada. The leaders of ISKCON are deemed as criminals by many. Srila Prabhupada once made a statement in the early seventies; many of you are here in the garb of devotees, but you are here to destroy -- you are demons from the lower planetary systems who have taken birth on this planet just to destroy this movement. We were all bewildered by this statement of Srila Prabhupada - we wondered who were these people? Well, now we know."
(Jivadhara Dasa ACBSP. New York USA - BTP Issue 42)
Good summary! Right, for Prithu and his pals to support their worship of illicit sex as acharyas program, this is demoniac. That is the same odious behavior found on the lower planets, the demons there are in the modes of ignorance and thus they worship as their gurus various fools who are engaged in illicit sex. Why is Prithu, Hrdayananda and others bringing the behavior of the lower planets into ISKCON?
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Good summary! Right, for Prithu and his pals to support their worship of illicit sex as acharyas program, this is demoniac. That is the same odious behavior found on the lower planets, the demons there are in the modes of ignorance and thus they worship as their gurus various fools who are engaged in illicit sex. Why is Prithu, Hrdayananda and others bringing the behavior of the lower planets into ISKCON?
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Conquer Sex Attraction And Capture Krishna
http://www.iskcontimes.com/if-you-can-conquer-woman-you-can-capture-krishna/
We should act in such a way in this life that after giving up this body, we will become liberated from the bondage of repeated birth and death. This is called jivan-mukti. Srila Viraraghava Acharya states that in the Chandogya Upaninad there are eight symptoms of a jivan-mukta, a person who is already liberated even when living in this body.
1. The first symptom of one so liberated is that he is freed from all sinful activity (apahata-papa). As long as one is under the clutches of maya in the material energy, one has to engage in sinful activity. Bhagavad-gita describes such people as dushkrtinaha, which indicates that they are always engaged in sinful activity. One who is liberated in this life does not commit any sinful activities. Sinful activity involves illicit sex, meat-eating, intoxication and gambling.
2. Another symptom of a liberated person is vijara, which indicates that he is not subjected to the miseries of old age.
3. Another symptom is vimatyu. A liberated person prepares himself in such a way that he does not take on any more material bodies, which are destined to die. In other words. he does not fall down again to repeat birth and death.
4. Another symptom is vishoka, which indicates that he is callous to material distress and happiness.
5. Another is vijighatsa, which indicates that he no longer desires material enjoyment.
6. Another symptom is apipata, which means that he has no desire other than to engage in the devotional service of Krishna, his dear most pursuable Lord.
7. A further symptom is satya-kama, which indicates that all his desires are directed to the Supreme Truth, Krishna. He does not want anything else. He is satya-sankalpa.
8. Whatever he desires is fulfilled by the grace of Krishna. First of all, he does not desire anything for his material benefit, and secondly if he desires anything at all, he simply desires to serve the Supreme Lord. That desire is fulfilled by the Lord's grace. That is called satya-sankalpa.
From Srimad Bhagavatam 5.4.5 Purport
Monday, September 28, 2015
Control Your Material Desires
http://www.iskcontimes.com/control-your-desire-dont-satisfy-it/
[PADA: Srila Prabhupada says that when we are finding ourselves being controlled by Maya, we must pray to Krishna to save us. Of course, as soon as we are praying to Krishna for help, we are coming back to our Krishna consciousness position. That is the self evident key principle, to become Krishna conscious, and then Maya will not be able to take us over. ys pd]
Sunday, September 27, 2015
Can't make it to the hospital in time ...
[PADA: Yep, as a matter of fact, Krishna makes amazing miracles -- like this one -- happening full time all the time. Its also a little sobering to realize that we all went through this process ourselves many, many times. That is why the message of Srila Prabhupada is so important, if we are to become freed of this process of repetition of birth and death, we need to surrender to Krishna. ys pd]
Beyond birth and death ....
srnvatam sva-kathah krsnah
punya-sravana-kirtanah
hrdy antah-stho hy abhadrani
vidhunoti suhrt satam
[SB 1.2.17]
When you begin to hear about Krsna, srnvatam sva-kathah krsnah, so Krsna is within your heart. He immediately becomes alert. Oh, this man, this human being, is now hearing." Srnvatam sva..., punya-sravana-kirtanah. If you simply hear, even if you do not understand what it is being spoken...
Just like the children. They do not understand anything, but they are hearing. They are sitting. They are hearing. Or some woman, they do not understand I am speaking in English. But because they are hearing, it is punya-sravana-kirtanah, they are acquiring it piety. Acquiring.
This is called ajnata-sukrti, piety acquired without knowledge, ajnata-sukrti. Punya-sravana-kirtanah. Srnvatam sva-kathah krsnah punya-sravana-kirtanah. Sravana-kirtana. One is hearing and one is chanting. Both of them becoming pious. Punya-sravana-kirtanah. Hrdy antah-sthah... And the more you become pious in this way, then all the dirty things within your heart will be cleansed. Ceto-darpana-marjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12].
Therefore Krsna here says, te 'pi ca atitaranti eva mrtyum. He can also conquer over mrtyu. What to conquer over mrtyu, he can conquer over Ajita, who is never conquered by anyone. Ajita jito 'py asi.
So these things are there. We should take advantage of the sastras, Vedic knowledge. It is India's property. Everything was cultivated in India, but because andha yathandhair upaniyamanah [SB 7.5.31], our rascal leaders, they are leading these andhas, they are not interested. They are not interested. They are now interested how to eat meat and drink wine. Very horrible condition of India. Those who are responsible persons, they should take note of it and try to spread Krsna consciousness movement as far as possible. That will be beneficial for all the people in general and the preachers preachers also. This is our movement. Thank you very much. Hare Krsna. (end)
Therefore Krsna here says, te 'pi ca atitaranti eva mrtyum. He can also conquer over mrtyu. What to conquer over mrtyu, he can conquer over Ajita, who is never conquered by anyone. Ajita jito 'py asi.
So these things are there. We should take advantage of the sastras, Vedic knowledge. It is India's property. Everything was cultivated in India, but because andha yathandhair upaniyamanah [SB 7.5.31], our rascal leaders, they are leading these andhas, they are not interested. They are not interested. They are now interested how to eat meat and drink wine. Very horrible condition of India. Those who are responsible persons, they should take note of it and try to spread Krsna consciousness movement as far as possible. That will be beneficial for all the people in general and the preachers preachers also. This is our movement. Thank you very much. Hare Krsna. (end)
Saturday, September 26, 2015
Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura
His Divine Grace Srila Sac-cid-ananda Bhaktivinoda Thakura’s
Appearance Day, Lecture
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London, September 23, 1969
Prabhupada: Bring water, water. Water? So today is a very auspicious day, Thakura Bhaktivinoda’s birthday. Here is the picture of Thakura Sac-cid-ananda Bhaktivinoda. He was one of the acaryas of this disciplic succession from Krishna. We have got a succession table from Krishna, genealogical table. There are two kinds of genealogical tables, one by the semina—father, his son, his son, like that. That is material genealogical table. And there is one spiritual genealogical table, disciplic succession. Just like Krishna. Krishna, the original father, Supreme Personality of Godhead, He spoke the Vedic knowledge to Brahma, Lord Brahma. He spoke to Narada. Narada spoke to Vyasa. Vyasa spoke to Madhvacarya. So in this disciplic succession, Lord Caitanya, from Lord Caitanya, the six Gosvamis, and similarly, coming down, down, Bhaktivinoda Thakura, then Gaurakisora dasa Babaji Maharaja, then my spiritual master, then we are next generation, my disciples.
So there is a disciplic succession. And the acaryas, they’re authorities. Our process of knowledge is very simple. We take it from the authority. We don’t speculate. Speculation will not help us to come to the real knowledge. Just like when we are in difficulty, in legal implication, we go to some authority, lawyer. When we are diseased we go to a physician, the authority. There is no use, speculation. Suppose I am in difficulty in some legal implication. I simply speculate, “I shall be free in this way and that way.” That will not help. We have to go to the lawyer who knows things, and he gives us instruction that “You do not do this; then you’ll be free.”
Similarly, when we are diseased, if I speculate at home that “My disease will be cured in this way and that way,” no. That is useless. You go to an authorized physician, and he will give you a nice prescription, and you’ll be cured. That is the process of knowledge. But in the modern age people think that “I am free, I am independent, and I can make my own solution.” That is rascaldom. That’s not good. So Arjuna, when he was talking with Krishna as friend, but when he saw that there was no solution talking like this, he surrendered to Krishna. He said, sishyas te ’ham, aham: “Myself, I surrender unto You as Your disciple.” Sishyas te ’ham sadhi mam prapannam. Prapannam means surrender. So that is the Vedic injunction, that if you want to know transcendental knowledge or science... “Transcendental” means beyond the scope of your direct perception.
So spiritual knowledge is beyond the scope of our sense speculation. Beyond the scope. Just like when a soul, a spiritual spark only, leaves this body, you cannot see. Therefore, atheistic class of men, they speculate, “There may be a soul; there may not be soul.” Or, “The bodily function was going like this; now it stopped. The blood corpuscles now cease. It is no more red; it is white; therefore life...” These are speculation. This is not actual knowledge. Actual knowledge you get from the authority, Krishna.
He says, tatha dehantara-praptir dhiras tatra na muhyati. Just like the soul is passing through different stages. Dehino ’smin yatha dehe. Deha, deha means this body. Asmin dehe, in this body, there is dehi. Dehi means who is the owner of this body. That is soul. That is passing through childhood, boyhood, babyhood, youthhood, old age. Everyone, you can perceive that you were a child, you were a baby, you were a boy. Now you are young or old man. So you are there. So as you are passing through different types of bodies, similarly, when you give up this body you accept another body.
What is the difficulty? Tatha dehantara-praptir dhiras tatra na muhyati. There is no question of becoming astonished, how transmigration of the self, soul, takes place. The vivid example is there. Simply you require little intelligence. That intelligence is developed through the instruction of acarya. Therefore, Vedic injunction is not to acquire knowledge by speculation. That is useless. Athapi te deva padambuja-dvayam janati tattvam prasada-lesanugrihita eva hi, na canya eko ’pi ciram vicinvan. Ciram vicinvan. Ciram means for thousands of years you can speculate; you cannot understand what is God.
That is not possible. But if you receive knowledge from the devotee, he can deliver you. Therefore Vedic injunction is that tad-vijnana... (break) ...in order to understand tad-vijnana... Vijnana means science. If you want to know the transcendental science, then you must approach a guru. Tad-vijnanartham, in order to... If you are at all interested to understand the spiritual science. Tad- vijnanartham (sa) gurum eva abhigacchet. You must approach guru. Guru means this disciplic succession, as I have explained.
So Bhaktivinoda Thakura is an ideal guru. He was not a sannyasi; he was grihastha, householder, living with family, wife, children. Still, he was guru. So anyone can become guru. Not that a sannyasi can become guru. A householder also can become guru, provided he knows the science. Caitanya Mahaprabhu, when He was talking with Ramananda Raya... Caitanya Mahaprabhu was a sannyasi, very highly born in brahmana family, very learned scholar. So He was talking with Ramananda Raya, a grihastha, governor of Madras.
And He was questioning, and Ramananda Raya was answering. That means he was taking the part of guru, and Caitanya Mahaprabhu was taking the part of a disciple. So he was hesitating, Ramananda Raya. He thought himself that “I am a grihastha; I’m not even a brahmana. Besides that, I am dealing in material affairs. I am governor, politics. And Caitanya Mahaprabhu is a sannyasi, born of a high-class brahmana family. So it does not look well that I shall teach Him.” So he was hesitating. Caitanya Mahaprabhu said, “Oh, why you are hesitating?” He said,
kiba vipra, kiba sudra, nyasi kene naya
yei krishna-tattva-vetta, sei ‘guru’ haya
He said, “Don’t hesitate. Either one may become a brahmana or one may become a sudra...” Kiba vipra, kiba sudra. Vipra means brahmana, and sudra. Sudra is the fourth-grade human being. Brahmana is the first grade. So kiba vipra, kiba sudra. He may be a first-grade human being or the lowest grade human being, or he may become a sannyasi or a grihastha. It does not matter. Anyone who knows the science of Krishna, he can become a guru. This is the verdict.
Because spiritual science does not belong to the bodily platform. It is on the spiritual platform. It is very nice. Just like when you go to a lawyer or to an engineer or to a physician. You do not inquire whether he’s a brahmana or sudra. Simply you have to know whether he’s a lawyer. That’s all. Whether he’s a physician actually. If he knows the medical science, he may be a brahmana, he may be a sudra, he may be a sannyasi, he may be a householder. It doesn’t matter. Your business is with a physician, with a lawyer.
Similarly, your business is to understand Krishna. So anyone who knows Krishna perfectly, you have to go there. Tad- vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet. It is... Vedic injunction is not that you have to approach a sannyasi or a grihastha or an Indian or American. No. Gurum. And guru means who knows the science of Krishna.
So, this Bhaktivinoda Thakura was grihastha, very responsible officer, magistrate. And he was so exalted that he would come from his office generally at five o’clock, then take his supper and immediately go to bed. Immediately. Say at seven o’clock in the evening he goes to bed, and he wakes up at twelve o’clock. So suppose he goes to bed at seven o’clock in the evening and wakes up at twelve o’clock at night; it is sufficient sleep, five hours. One should not sleep more than five to six hours. Minimize as far as possible.
The Gosvamis used to sleep not more than one and a half hour, or two hours. Sleeping is not very important thing. Even big politicians, they used to sleep for two hours. So especially in spiritual line, they should minimize as far as possible eating, sleeping, mating, defending. Minimize. Gradually it comes to nil. Raghunatha dasa Gosvami, he was eating only a little piece of butter every alternate days, not daily. So this Bhaktivinoda Thakura, regularly he was coming from his office, and after taking his supper immediately he goes to bed, and wake up at twelve o’clock, and he used to write books.
He wrote, he left behind him about one hundred books. And he excavated the birthplace of Lord Caitanya, organized how to develop that birth site, Mayapur. He had so many business. He used to go to preach about Caitanya’s philosophy. He used to sell books to foreign countries. In 1896 he attempted to sell Life and Precepts of Caitanya in the MacGill University in Montreal. So he was busy, acarya. So one has to adjust things. Not that “Because I am grihastha, householder, I cannot become a preacher. It is the business...” (aside:) Give me water. “It is the business of the sannyasi or brahmacari.”
No. It is the business of everyone. The whole world is suffering for want of knowledge. The present civilization is animal civilization. They do not know anything beyond eating, sleeping, mating and defending. That’s all. This is animal civilization. Animal does not know beyond these four principles of life: eating, sleeping, mating and defending. That’s all. No. Human life is meant for something else: “What I am? What is God? What is my relation with God? What is this material world? Why I am here? Where I have to go next?” So many things one has to learn. Athato brahma-jijnasa. This is human life.
Not that eat and sleep and have sex life and die someday like cats and dogs. Therefore, there is need of acaryas, teachers, for propagating spiritual knowledge, Krishna consciousness. Bhaktivinoda Thakura was... Although he was a grihastha, householder, a government officer, magistrate, but he was acarya. So from his dealings, from his life, we should learn how one can become a preacher in any stage of life. It doesn’t matter what he is.
There was one incidence, very interesting. When he was magistrate in Jagannatha Puri... The system is... Jagannatha temple is a very big establishment. In the temple fifty-six times daily, bhoga is offered. And you’ll find in the temple always at least five hundred to one thousand people gathered. And they come from outside, and prasada is ready. If you go and ask in the Jagannatha temple that “We are one hundred men come from outside. We want prasada,” yes, immediately ready. So it is a huge temple. This is one temple, but there are many other thousands of temple in India where prasada is distributed. Now it is minimized by our present government. They think that it is unnecessary expenditure. They are minimizing.
But not unnecessary expenditure. They do not understand. Formerly, in India there was no necessity of hotel. Anyone goes anywhere, even in a village, he goes to a temple—prasada is ready. There is no need of going to a hotel. You pay or don’t pay. If you say that “I want little prasada,” “Yes, take it.” That is the system still. There is the Nathadvara temple in Rajasthan. You pay two annas only. Two annas means one cent. You get sumptuous prasada for two mens, all very nice prasada, still. So prasada distribution in temple is longstanding usage.
So Bhaktivinoda Thakura... The Jagannatha temple is managed by a body, and it is the custom that the local magistrate of the district, he becomes the president, or manager. So Bhaktivinoda Thakura was manager in that sense, because he was magistrate. The managing committee was being presided by him. So there was a complaint. In Orissa, this Jagannatha temple is situated in Orissa. Utkala. Utkala, this state, was originally belonging to Dhruva Maharaja. His son’s name was Utkala, Maharaja Utkala. Anyway, so this Utkala, there was a pseudo yogi. He declared himself that... Just like you’ll find nowadays also, there are so many rascals declaring that “I am incarnation of God.”
And they know some mystic power, play some jugglery, and foolish people take them: “Oh, he’s God.” So there appeared one like such pseudo God, Vishnu, in a village of Orissa. And he was dancing rasa dance, and foolish people were sending their daughters and wife to dance with him. You see? There were so many. Not only that. People are so foolish, they do not know... They want to be cheated, and these cheaters come. He declared that “I am God. I am Vishnu.” So there were sane men also.
They took objection, “What is this nonsense? This man is dancing with ladies and gentlemen, er, girls.” So they filed a complaint. At that time it was British rule. They complained to the governor or the commissioner, very high officer. The commissioner knew that Bhaktivinoda Thakura... His name was Kedaranatha Datta. Datta. Kedaranatha Datta, his household name. So the commissioner of the division, he knew that Kedaranatha Datta is a religious man, and he’s magistrate in charge. So he handed over the case for inquiry, “What is this complaint? You please inquire and do the needful.”
So he was a pure devotee, and he understood that “This rascal is a bogus man, cheating people. I must inquire.” So he went to the village in plain dress with some constables, police constables. They were also in plain dress. And as soon as he approached that rascal yogi, he said, “Oh, you are Kedaranatha Datta. So, very nice. You are... I shall make you king of India. Please don’t try to bother me.” Because he could know that “He has come to inquire about my rasa-lila.” So Bhaktivinoda Thakura first of all said, “Sir, you are such a great yogi. Why you are in the village? Why don’t you go to Jagannatha Puri?
There is temple and Lord Jagannatha is there. Better you go there and see the Lord and be happy. Why you are in this village?” “Oh, Jagannatha? Ah, that is made of wood. I am personally the Supreme Lord. That is made of wood.” Oh, then Bhaktivinoda Thakura—he was a devotee—he became fire. (laughter) He was insulting. Arcye sila-dhir gurushu nara-matih. According to sastra, if somebody thinks... Just like here is Deity. If somebody thinks, “Oh, it is made of stone...” It is stone to the eyes of the nondevotee, but it is personally Supreme Personality of Godhead to the devotees.
It requires the eyes to see. So devotee sees in a different angle of vision. Just like Caitanya Mahaprabhu, when He entered Jagannatha temple immediately He fainted: “Oh, here is My Lord.” And the nondevotee is seeing: “It is wood, a lump of wood.” Therefore, to the nondevotee, He remains always as wood, but to the devotee He speaks. That is the difference. Premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena. If God is everything, why wood, through wood and stone, God cannot manifest? If God is everything? According to Mayavada philosophy... That’s a fact. God, omnipotent. He can express Himself even through wood and stone. That is God’s omnipotency. That is called omnipotency.
Not that God is unable to express Himself through wood and stone. Then how He’s omnipotent? Omnipotent means His potency can be expressed through anything. Because anything, everything is the expansion of God’s energy. Parasya brahmanah saktis tathedam akhilam jagat. The whole world is manifestation of different energies of God. Therefore... Just like through the energy of electricity the electric powerhouse, although far, far away from this place, was expressing. There is electricity. Through this glass, through these wires, the power can be expressed. There is a process.
So Bhaktivinoda Thakura became very much... Because a devotee cannot tolerate blaspheming another devotee or God. So as soon as he said that “Why shall I go to Jagannatha Puri to see the wooden Jagannatha? I am personally Vishnu,” Bhaktivinoda Thakura immediately ordered his constables, “Arrest him. Arrest this rascal.” So he was arrested. And when he was arrested... He had some yogic mystic power.
All the constables, Bhaktivinoda Thakura, and his family members became affected with high fever, 105 degrees fever. So when he came back, his wife became very much disturbed that “You arrested Vishnu, and we are all going to die. We have now high fever.” Bhaktivinoda Thakura replied, “Yes, let us all die, but this rascal must be punished.” This is the view of pure devotee. So he was put into the custody. And there was a date fixed for his trial, and all these days Bhaktivinoda Thakura himself and his family especially, they were suffering from high fever.
Maybe that yogi was planning to kill the whole family. But it was going on as fever. So on the trial day, Bhaktivinoda Thakura, Kedaranatha Datta, when he came to the bench the man was presented, the so-called yogi, and he had big, big hairs. So Bhaktivinoda Thakura ordered that “Bring one barber and cut his hair.” So no barber dared. The barbers thought, “Oh, he’s a Lord Vishnu. If I offend, as he’s suffering from fever, so I shall also die.” So Bhaktivinoda Thakura ordered that “Give me the scissor. I’ll cut.” So he cut his hairs and ordered him to be put into jail for six months, and in the jail that Vishnu incarnation managed to take some poison, and he died.
So this is one of the incidents. There are many incidences. He was very strong man. He punished many pandas in the tirthas who exploit visitors. So, this is the position of devotee. In spite of his becoming a responsible magistrate, a householder, still, he was acarya. So we have to follow the acaryas. If we at all, if we are at all interested in spiritual science, then we must follow the Vedic instruction, tad-vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet. We must approach. You cannot have spiritual knowledge simply by speculating. Impossible. Simply waste of time. Srama eva hi kevalam. You must go to the... In the Bhagavad-gita, therefore, it is recommended, acaryopasanam.
Acarya-upasana. Not only worshiping the Lord, but also the acarya. Caitanya Mahaprabhu said, guru-krishna-kripaya paya bhakti- lata-bija. Guru, acarya, and Krishna. One should seek favor of both of them. Not that “I am now seeking favor of Krishna. What is the use of guru or acarya?” No. You cannot overlap acarya and go to Krishna. That is not possible. Krishna will not accept you. Just like if you want to see a big man you should go through his secretary, through his orderly, doorkeeper; similarly, our process is acaryopasanam, go through the acarya. That is the injunction of the Vedas. Tarko ’pratishthah. If you want to enter into the spiritual world, you cannot get through simply by arguments. Because there is no limit of argument. I place my argument in one way. Another man, who is better arguer, he places his argument in a different way. So if you simply go on arguing, it is not possible. Tarko ’pratishthah. It will never help you. Argument. Srutayo vibhinnah. If you think that “I shall read scriptures and I shall understand God,” no, that is also not possible. Srutayo vibhinnah. Scriptures are also different. Because scriptures are made according to time, circumstances, people.
Just like Bible. Bible Lord Jesus Christ preached in the desert, Jerusalem. Or where it is? People who were not so advanced. Therefore his first instruction is “Thou shall not kill.” That means they were very much engaged in killing affairs; otherwise, why is this instruction? And actually, it so happened that they killed Jesus Christ. So that society was not very enlightened society. So a scripture for a society which is not very enlightened and a scripture for a society which is very enlightened must be different. Just like a dictionary. For the schoolboy, a pocket dictionary. And for a college student, international, big dictionary. Both of them are dictionaries. But the small pocket dictionary is not equal to the big dictionary.
Because it is different made for different classes of men. So scriptures are made according to different classes of men. There are three classes of men: first-class, second-class, and third-class. The third-class man cannot understand the philosophy and scriptural injunctions of the first-class man. That is not possible. Higher mathematics cannot be understood by the small schoolboys who are simply trying to understand “Two plus two equal to four.” But “Two plus two equal to four” is equally good to the higher mathematics student. But still, higher mathematics and lower math is different. Therefore it is said, srutayo vibhinnah: the scriptures are different. So if you simply try to understand what is God by reading scriptures, you cannot achieve. You must approach a guru. Just like a medical book.
It can be available in the market. If you purchase one medical book and study and you become doctor, that is not possible. You must hear the medical book from a medical man in the college, medical college. Then you will be qualified. And if you say, “Sir, I have read all the medical books. Recognize me as a medical practitioner,” no, that will be not.
So srutayo vibhinnah. Scriptures are different. Arguments, that is also not helpful. One man may argue better than me. Then philosophy. The philosophy, it is said, nasau munir yasya matam na bhinnam. One philosopher is differing from another philosopher. Just now today Syamasundara has purchased one book about different philosophers. So that you also cannot ascertain what is truth. Therefore sastra says, dharmasya tattvam nihitam guhayam. The truth is very confidential. So if you want to know that truth, mahajano yena gatah sa panthah, you should have to follow the great acaryas. Then you will understand. Therefore acarya-upasana is essential. Acarya-upasana is very essential. In all the Vedic sastras the injunction is that. Tad-vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet, srotriyam brahma- nishtham. Tasmad gurum prapadyeta jijnasuh sreya uttamam.
Anyone who is inquisitive to understand higher truths, he must surrender to guru. Tasmad gurum prapadyeta, jijnasuh sreya uttamam. One who is inquisitive, who is now inquiring about transcendental subject matter. Tad viddhi pranipatena pariprasnena sevaya. So all the sastras says, in our Vaishnava sastra also, Rupa Gosvami says, adau gurv-asrayam: “In the first beginning, you must take shelter of a bona fide guru.”
So this Bhaktivinoda Thakura’s birthday, we should adore, we should worship, because in the modern age he reintroduced the disciplic succession. From Caitanya Mahaprabhu... Five hundred years ago, Caitanya Mahaprabhu taught this philosophy, but within two hundred years... Because this material world is so made that whatever you introduce, in due course of time it will deteriorate. You make a nice house, but after one hundred years, two hundred years, or nowadays, even after fifty years, it becomes dilapidated. That is the nature’s law, kala. Time will destroy everything. Now, British empire, such a big, vast empire, now it is finished. The kala, the time, will make everything finished. That is material. Anything material, it has birth, it has growth, it has got some opulence, then dwindling, then finished.
That is the way of material... So we are interested in spiritual subject matter. Therefore the process is adau gurv-asrayam. One has to accept a bona fide spiritual master. That is our process. Without accepting a bona fide spiritual master, we cannot make any progress. It is impossible. So Bhaktivinoda Thakura happens to be acaryas, one of the acaryas. And he has left behind him many books. Caitanya-sikshamrita, Jaiva Dharma. These are very important books. They’re in Bengali, in Sanskrit. And many songs. He has prepared many books of song.
The song, Ei nam gaya gauracand madhura svare, that is Bhaktivinoda Thakura’s song. So we are trying to present Bhaktivinoda Thakura’s books also in English translation. Gradually you will get it. So our adoration, our worship to Bhaktivinoda Thakura today because he may bless us to make peacefully progress in Krishna consciousness. Acarya-upasana, simply by the blessings of the acaryas we can make very rapid progress. Vedeshu durlabham adurlabham atma- bhaktau. If we... Yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasadah... We sing every day. By the mercy of the spiritual master, acarya, we immediately get the blessings of Lord. Immediately. Yasya prasadat. Yasya means “whose”; prasadat, “benediction.”
By the benediction of the spiritual master. Yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasadah. If spiritual master, acarya, is pleased, then you should know that Krishna is also pleased. You should know through. This is not very difficult. Just like you are working in office. If your immediate officer, boss, is pleased, that means the proprietor of the firm, he’s also pleased. Although you do not see him. This is fact. Your immediate boss, if he’s pleased. So similarly, we, our business, this spiritual line, is guru-krishna- kripa. We have to first receive the merciful benediction from the acarya, and then Krishna will be pleased and He’ll also give His blessings. Mad-bhakta. There is a version in the Srimad- Bhagavatam, mad-bhakta pujyabhyadhika. He says, Krishna says, that “If anyone worships Me directly and if anyone worships Me through the acarya, he’s better devotee who is coming to Me through acarya.” Mad-bhakta pujyabhyadhika.
So our, this Vaishnava philosophy, process, is to go through the acarya. Servant of the servant of the servant. We should try to become servant of the servant. Gopi-bhartuh pada-kamalayor dasa-dasanudasah. Dasa-dasanudasah. We should not approach the Supreme Personality of Godhead directly. That is not good. That will not be... In the Vedic injunction also it is said, yasya deve para bhaktir yatha deve tatha gurau. If one has got unflinching faith in the Supreme Personality of Godhead, yatha deve, and similar faith in guru... Of course, we must make guru bona fide.
Then it is disciplic succession. And that is also not very difficult to select, who is bona fide guru. Bona fide guru means he presents himself as servant of God. He does not pose himself falsely that “I am God.” This is bona fide. It is not difficult to find out bona fide. But this is the test. If anyone says that “I am guru,” er, “I am God,” then he cannot be guru. Because he has no knowledge. How he is God? But he can cheat some people. That is different thing. You can cheat all people for some time and some people for all time, but not all people for all time. That is not possible. So these kinds of guru, who poses themself that “I am God,” he’s a false guru.
The bona fide guru will say that “I am servant of the servant of the servant of Krishna,” or God. Servant of. That is the business of guru. He serves Krishna as Krishna desires; that is his business. That is also not very difficult. Krishna says, Krishna desires, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja, that “You give up all other engagement; just surrender unto Me, and I’ll give you protection.” Krishna says. So guru’s business is that “You simply surrender to Krishna.” What is the difficulty? Simply repeat the same thing. Not for himself, but for Krishna. He’s bona fide guru.
So our this Krishna consciousness movement is very bona fide because we say the same thing as Krishna says. We don’t make any addition, alteration. Not like big scholars like, “It is not to Krishna...” Krishna says, man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru, and the scholar interprets, “It is not to Krishna.” Just see (the) foolishness. Krishna directly says, “unto Me.” He says, “Not to Krishna.” Misleading. Such misleading guru will not help you. So therefore to find out a bona fide guru means that he does not change the words of Krishna. That is his position. He places everything as it is, and he has understood thoroughly the science. Jijnasuh sreya uttamam.
Guru, what is the symptom of guru? Tasmad gurum prapadyeta jijnasuh sreya uttamam. Those who are inquisitive to understand higher scientific knowledge, uttamam. Uttama means higher. Uttama, madhyama, adhama. There are three words. First-class, second-class, third-class. So spiritual knowledge is uttamam. Anyone who is inquisitive to understand first-class knowledge, he requires to go to a guru. Those who are interested in third-class knowledge, they do not require any guru. Third-class knowledge means animal knowledge: how to eat, how to sleep. How to make arrangement for eating, how to make arrangement for sleeping, that is third-class knowledge. Because the animals also try for this kind of knowledge, how to eat, how to sleep.
Therefore this kind of knowledge is third-class knowledge. And second-class knowledge is “What I am?” Athato brahma-jijnasa. The Vedanta. That is second-class knowledge. And first-class knowledge, when he actually understands what he is, he is eternal servant of Krishna, and engages himself in the service of the Lord, that is first-class knowledge. And therefore, as soon as he comes to the first-class knowledge platform, he becomes happy.
brahma-bhutah prasannatma
na socati na kankshati
samah sarveshu bhuteshu
mad-bhaktim labhate param
So after being liberated from the material concept of life by the blessings of Krishna and guru, one comes to the platform of first-class knowledge, where he engages himself directly in the service of the Lord. That is first-class knowledge. First-class knowledge means beyond liberation. Second-class knowledge is trying for liberation. Third-class knowledge means in bondage, like animal. The animals, they are bound up by the particular type of body and has no, I mean to say, possibility of becoming liberated. That is animal life. But human life is better than animal life because he, if he likes, he can make himself liberated from this bondage of material body. That is the facility. He can understand himself what he is. He can understand what is God. He can understand the relationship between God and himself. He can understand what is this material world. Because there are thousands of books of knowledge. Take it for Bhagavad- gita. Everything is there. And it is meant for human being, not for the cats and dogs. Cats and dogs cannot understand, but a human being can understand.
So our this Krishna consciousness movement is to enlighten people to utilize his very nice life, human form of life, utilize it properly. To utilize it properly means to revive his dormant Krishna consciousness. The Krishna consciousness, or God consciousness, is there already. It is developed in human form of life. But it is now covered because due to our association with this material world for unlimited years background. We are coming through different species of life. Millions and millions of years passed away. Suppose I was a tree sometimes. I was standing up for ten thousand years in one place. We have passed through. That’s a fact. That is evolution. Now we have the opportunity of light. If you don’t use this opportune moment and again go back to the cycle of evolutionary process, jalaja nava-laksani sthavara... So these are great science.
Unfortunately, there is no opportunity for the people to study this science in school, colleges, or universities. They are simply teaching people that “You work hard and gratify your senses.” That’s all. Therefore a section, younger section, they have been disgusted. They have refused to cooperate with this society on account of this disappointing education. And it will increase. Because this sort of education cannot give peace or prosperity to the people. Problems are increasing. Therefore, our request is that if you want to decrease or completely finish all the problems of life, take to Krishna consciousness in the process of disciplic succession and you’ll be all happy.
Thank you very much. (devotees offer obeisances)
Syamasundara: Prabhupada, are you going to answer any questions?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Syamasundara: If anyone has any questions pertaining to the lecture, you can ask them at this time. They should be pertaining to the lecture.
Devotee girl: Did Bhaktivinoda Thakura, he also took sannyasa in later years? Is this right?
Syamasundara: Did Bhaktivinoda Thakura take sannyasa in later years?
Prabhupada: Yes. In very late years. In his retired life.
Syamasundara: Any other questions?
Devotee: Prabhupada, you say that an animal has no chance for liberation. What would happen if an animal came in contact with a pure devotee?
Prabhupada: Yes, there is chance of deliverance. Yes. Even an animal. Because he’ll hear Hare Krishna from the pure devotee. That will not go in vain. He’ll give prasadam. He does not know, but the devotee out of compassion gives prasadam, chants Hare Krishna.
He also gets the opportunity of hearing. So he’ll also be liberated. One dog, during Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s time, he also became liberated. There is a history. Sivananda Sena’s dog, he was liberated by the grace of Lord Caitanya. So by the association of pure devotee... Therefore Bhaktivinoda Thakura’s, there is one song. He prays to the Lord that kita-janma hou jatha tuya dasa. Kita means insect. “My Lord, if I have to take my birth again...” Because a devotee does not pray to God for liberation. He simply prays that “Wherever I may take my birth, I may not forget You.” That’s all. That is devotee’s prayer. A devotee does not say that “Elevate me to the heavenly planet or Vaikuntha planet.” No. “You can put me anywhere.” Just like Bhaktivinoda Thakura says, kita-janma hou: “My dear Lord, I have no objection if I have to take my birth next as an insect.”
What to speak of human being or other thing. “As an insect. But I must be in the house of a devotee.” So that an insect, by eating the remnants of foodstuff left by the devotee, he’ll be delivered. Kita-janma hou jatha tuya, bahir-mukha brahma-janma nahi mora asa: “I don’t want my next birth as Lord Brahma if I forget You. I don’t want.” That is wanted. A devotee prays to the Lord that he would be able to constantly remember the lotus feet of the Lord. Never mind whether as insect or as king or as dog, never mind. That is devotee’s, pure devotee.
Indian man: If one has accepted a bona fide spiritual master and he did not receive much knowledge from him, can he change his spiritual master at later...
Prabhupada: A bona fide spiritual master, where is the necessity of changing?
Indian man: No, he has not got the knowledge from him, but can I change...?
Prabhupada: No, no. Bona fide spiritual means he must get knowledge. He must get knowledge. He must inquire from the... The student must inquire from the spiritual master. If he remains dumb, then what bona fide spiritual master can do? Adau gurv- asrayam sad-dharma-pricchat, jijnasuh.
He must be jijnasuh. He must be jijnasuh. We get so many letters daily. So many inquiries. The student must be very inquisitive. Otherwise how he shall make progress? If he remains dumb, then what the bona fide spiritual master can do? If you go to a very nice school but if you do not study, if you do not inquire, then what is the use of going to the nice school? You must be also very alert to inquire, to understand, to make progress.
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Prabhupāda: ......Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura was magistrate, and one person in Orissa, he declared himself that "I am Viṣṇu," and in the village he was enticing young women and girls to dance at night. And some of them protested, and they lodged complaint to the government that "This person is doing like that." And the government commissioner, he knew that Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, Kedāranātha Datta was a very elevated, religious man, and he was magistrate.
So the commissioner entrusted the inquiry to Kedāranātha Datta at that time. So Kedāranātha Datta, Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, took the matter and went to inquire at that, in the village of Orissa, with some constables in plain dress. So when he went there... He had some yogic power, so immediately he could say, "Oh, your name is Kedarnatha Datta. I know you are very good man, but don't be after me. You will not be happy. And I shall elevate you to become the king of this country. Don't be after me."
Now, if anyone... He was Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, a strong devotee. If any other person would have been addressed like that, he would be immediately puzzled: "How this man is talking about me, that I am Kedāranātha Datta, I am magistrate and...?" So he would not do anything.
But Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura was so strong, he said, "Yes. Thank you very much, that I shall become king. So why don't you go to Jagannātha Purī and stay there? That is a nice pilgrimage, and you can stay there. Many holy men go there. Why you are in this village?" He wanted to drive him away from that village.
"Oh, what is that Jagannātha? That is wood. I am Viṣṇu." As soon as he said, Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura became fire. "Oh, this rascal is like that." He immediately ordered, "Arrest him. Arrest him." And he showed some fiery spark coming from his jāta.
So the constables were hesitating to arrest him, but Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura ordered, "Yes, immediately arrest him. Handcuff." So he took him away, arrested. And as soon as he returned home, all the members of his family were in fever, high degree fever, and Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura himself was in fever. He made some trick, yogic trick. So his wife began to cry: "Oh, you have arrested one great yogi. He is Viṣṇu, and therefore we are now going to die. We are now..." (laughter)
So Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura: "Yes, you die. All die. Still, what I have done is all right." Then when there is date for appearance in the court, in the court the man was brought, and yogi . You see? And Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura asked... Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura was suffering still in fever. Still, he attended the court and asked the constables that "Cut his jāta. "
Haṁsadūta: What is jāta?
Prabhupāda: Jāta is hair. Hair. Jāta. So no barber was available. (laughter) Because they knew that Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, after arresting, he is suffering from fever. Whole family is lying down in fever. So nobody came forward to cut his jāta. So Bhaktivinoda: "All right, bring one scissor. I shall cut."
Haṁsadūta: What is jāta?
Prabhupāda: Jāta is hair. Hair. Jāta. So no barber was available. (laughter) Because they knew that Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, after arresting, he is suffering from fever. Whole family is lying down in fever. So nobody came forward to cut his jāta. So Bhaktivinoda: "All right, bring one scissor. I shall cut."
So he personally cut, and personally cut, and that man became very thin immediately after cutting his jata. He had some power in the jāta. And he ordered six months' imprisonment. And in the prison he managed to take some poison and died. So devotees are so strong. They can know what is what. You see? He was not puzzled that "He is Viṣṇu and this..." No. So we should learn from the Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura's treatment that this jugglery or this so-called power is not, no good for advancement in spiritual life.
Friday, September 25, 2015
Radhe Ma Dubmash Satire
[PADA: Why should babas have all the fun, indeed! So this is what is happening in Kali yuga, false God men and God women are sort of making people become disgusted with the process of religion in general. Of course, its a good thing that more and more people are waking up and making fun of false God persons, but its sad that Radhe Ma had a following of important Bollywood people and others -- and just a short while ago many people took her seriously as some sort of divine being. Same sort of thing is happening in ISKCON, people are now making fun of many of the GBC's gurus, and while that is a good thing, the problem is, they have already done a considerable amount of damage. At least Radhe Ma has not been able to create too many troubles for others -- before she was made into a laughingstock. ys pd]
Thursday, September 24, 2015
Correcting ISKCON's Guru System
http://krishna.org/correcting-iskcons-faulty-guru-system/
[PADA: The emperor has no clothes. Not lying! ys pd]
[PADA: The emperor has no clothes. Not lying! ys pd]
Why does Krishna create the spiritual sparks?
http://www.iskcontimes.com/why-is-there-a-need-to-create-the-spiritual-sparks/
Morning Walk -- February 6, 1976, Mayapura: Dayānanda: So how is it possible that... We're so insignificant, but at the same time we become so puffed up? How is it possible for us...? Prabhupāda: That is material consciousness, that you are nothing you are thinking very big. That is material consciousness. And as soon as you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, you'll simply think, "Kṛṣṇa is great; we are nothing, insignificant." That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And so long you think that you are independent of Kṛṣṇa—you are also another Kṛṣṇa—then you are fool, rascal. Mūḍho 'yaṁ nābhijānāti loko mām ajam avyayam ( BG 7.25). Hṛdayānanda: That's our madness. Prabhupāda: Madness. The whole world is going on on this foolish understanding. Therefore they have been described, mūḍha, all rascals. Anyone who is thinking, "There is no God, there is no Kṛṣṇa, it may be He is impersonal, there is no personality, and I am equal to Him"—these are all rascals, fools. Dayānanda: So actually there is no way to become detached. Prabhupāda: The only way is that you become Kṛṣṇa conscious. Dayānanda: Except through Kṛṣṇa. Prabhupāda: Yes. Mām eva ye prapadyante. You surrender to Kṛṣṇa and everything will be clear, just like as soon as the sun rises, everything is clear, no covering. That is our propaganda, that you become Kṛṣṇa conscious; then you become fully aware of everything. Otherwise you remain rascal, fools, gādhā, asses. If you prefer to remain asses, you can do so, but we are servant of Kṛṣṇa. We must preach real, reality
The Eleven Princes (revised edit)
http://www.iskconspiracy.org/
[PADA: Very nice work. We are glad the group of younger people is forming up, and they are taking up the cause of bringing down the GBC's false princes. Our Prabhupadanuga program is growing, and these folks are helping us educate people on the actual orders of the actual acharya Srila Prabhupada.
This work in bringing down Jayadvaita swami is growing, we are getting some very positive replies about its effectiveness, even from devotees living inside ISKCON, that the mood is that more and more people are getting tired of the GBC's for supporting a rascal like Jayadvaita. Some official ISKCON people also wrote to tell me -- they too are giving up on Jayadvaita and they support our view that he is a deviant. We need more such soldiers and educators to expand this work. We need to reestablish who is the actual acharya of ISKCON, and that is gradually happening by Krishna's grace. Bravo!
Its amazing how the few remaining people who are attached to the old guard are having such a hard time letting go of their 11 princes regime. Isn't it time to let go of your ship of fools? ys pd]
Wednesday, September 23, 2015
64 New Srila Prabhupada disciples!
[PADA: (Radhasthami day photo). This is great work. In order to continue the mission of Srila Prabhupada we are going to need his temples, his books, and his programs, and in order for ANY of these facilities to be created, we will need lots of people! Yes, there are certain of critics of Bangalore, including the GBC types, as well as some so-called Prabhupada types. Yet these people are not making new disciples of Srila Prabhupada and temples for his program to continue, and to print his books, and so on and so forth, as well as we see here. We need some sort of structure for the process to continue, and this is a great start. These 64 will eventually make another 64 Krishna devotees, and this is how the process will grow and expand. Good job! Building on the Bangalore sponsored Vrndavana temple is also going well as one of our reporters saw recently. This is what Srila Prabhupada wanted, temples, books, program, and -- more and more devotees! ys pd]
Euro GBC Women Guru Program
[PADA: The female diksha guru program is really getting out of hand! Hee hee! ys pd]
Mahalaxmi Departs on Radhasthami
[PADA: I met her in California and she was a very nice and sincere devotee. Like a lot of devotees, she told me she could not live in any GBC managed devotee communities, because she thought their deviations were too extreme. Her husband told me all kinds of tales of their encounters with Ramesvara's exploits, and so its a wonder some of these people survived Ramesvara's regime with continued faith in the religion. So she lived outside like a lot of us had to do. Anyway, she had a desire to serve Krishna and Srila Prabhupada, so we are confident Krishna will fulfill her desires to be His sevaka, and thus her service desire will be fulfilled in her next destination. May Krishna bless her always and help her along the path to His Lotus Feet. ys pd]
Tuesday, September 22, 2015
BV Suddhadvaiti Swami vs PADA
Sunnyvale Deities
http://iskcon.us/bv-suddhadvaiti-swami/christian-ritvik-vada/
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Bv Suddhadvaiti Swami Maharaja was born as Guy Bouchié de Belle in 1953 in an ancient French, aristocratic family, with the title of Baron. From a young age he wanted to become a catholic priest, but starting the practice of yoga at 14 made him turn eastwards for his spiritual development. He studied and practiced Buddhism, then kriya-yoga in India, before taking up the path of bhakti in 1973. He received diksa initiation in 1974 under the name Jayantakrid das from Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, of whom he is one of the most senior French disciples.
He studied closely for 10 years under his beloved siksa-guru, Srila Gour Govinda Swami, the foremost disciple of Srila Prabhupada.
[PADA: Gaura Govinda Maharaja was "voted in" as a GBC guru in 1986, at the exact same time the GBC reinstated Bhavananda as the GBC's alleged Vishnupada acharya. There were many well known reports of Bhavananada's engaging in illicit sex acts, and this issue was not only being discussed at Mayapura, but also among rank and file devotees around the world. This was a huge controversy at the time.
These numerous allegations against Bhavananda included illicit sex in the holy dham -- and so on, and yet he was reinstated to the post of the Vishnupada acharya by Gaura Govinda Maharaja's GBC program. Meanwhile, at the same exact 1986 Mayapura festival, the GBC ALSO voted for Gaura Govinda Maharaja to become Bhavananda's co-acharya. Read: GGM was voted in simultaneously at a sexual predator acharya's recoronation. And that means Gaura Govinda Maharaja continued the program of worship of, and offering bhogha to, illicit sex deviants on Krishna's altars.
This also means -- the same identical people who re-certified a known sexual predator as their acharya, also certified Gaura Govinda Maharaja as their acharya. This begs the question, what is a sexual predator guru recoronation and certification? Why is Gaura Govinda Maharaja being "voted in as guru" simultaneously with a sexual deviant acharya's being reinstated?
If GGM is the "defender of the parampara" why didn't he stand up and object to this re-certification of a KNOWN sexual aggressor and DEVIANT posing as an acharya, like we were doing? Instead he marginalized our protest, resulting in Sulochana's being assassinated for "offending pure devotees." And that also means the worship of illicit sex continued on Krishna's altars. Aren't these altars supposed to be sacred grounds -- and not a place for the photos of sexual predators to be worshiped? GGM says his idea is "the tradition," which tradition supports the worship of illicit sex "as good as God" and on Krishna's altars no less?
Why does GGM aid, abet and help orchestrate the use of the DIVINE name of Vishnupada -- to become connected to illicit sex in the holy dham? Where is the basic respect for the name Vishnupada, and the title of acharya? As for the Christians, they would never say that "man to man" sex in the holy dham then becomes the successor acharyas to God and Jesus, because the Christians have respect for the post of God's successor and these divine titles. GGM also told me he was well aware they were reinstating illicit sex in the holy dham as the Vishnupada acharya of his program.
Gaura Govinda Maharaj was thus a big participant in this 1986 bogus GBC deviation of reinstating a known sexual predator to the post of Vishnupada acharya, since he validated the GBC's votes as bona fide. Yes, lets be clear, the same people who reinstated the worship of "illicit sex in the holy dham" also voted for Gaura Govinda Maharaja -- at the very same festival and event.
Why doesn't Jayatakrid know that reinstating "illicit sex in the holy dham" acharyas is bogus, and therefore GGM should have helped us oppose that deviation instead of his "going along to get along" and receiving a guru rubber stamp from the self same deviant reinstators? If one is certified to be "as pure as God and Jesus," at the same ceremony where Rasputin is declared to be as good as Jesus, what is the value of such a certification?
Why does GGM think that the same people who reinstate sexual deviants as acharyas can also vote others in as the co-acharya of such deviants? Anyway, if one is voted in as guru by the same people who vote in known sexual predators as acharyas, one is corrupting the whole system of acharyas. GGM told me he has to "cooperate, tolerate and work with the GBC," why does he have to "cooperate" with the worship of illicit sex as Vishnupada acharyas? Which previous acharyas were voted in as co-acharyas at the recoronation of illicit sex? Of course, the whole idea of guru voting is itself bogus -- and so on and so forth.]
Since Srila Gour Govinda Swami’s departure from this world in 1996, he has taken siksa from Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja, who nicknamed him Jayanta-Krishna. In March 2008 after thirty five years of practice and study on the path of bhakti, he received from Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja the renounced order of sannyasa and the name Bhaktivedanta Suddhadvaiti Swami.
[PADA: Srila Prabhupada said when his God brothers reinitiated his followers and gave them new names, this was very offensive and against vaishnava etiquette.]
"The Jews are still waiting for the Messiah. They missed the boat, but at least they know that they’re supposed to wait for a messiah. The ISKCON leaders don’t even understand that!"
[PADA: Where did Srila Prabhupada says we should wait for the next messiah?]
APASIDDHANTAS SHOULD BE OPPOSED
[PADA: BTW! Gaura Govinda Maharaja ALSO taught that Srila Prabhupada's jeeva tattva is -- wrong. He is preaching apasiddhanta on the guru issue, jeeva issue, all these issues. Srila Prabhupada said GGM's idea that we do not originate with Krishna is "tinged with mayavada." Of course why did the rest of the GBC allow GGM to preach this mayavada siddhanta, at all, even for a few years?]
I just read the GBC paper written by Ravindra Svarupa dasa, www.founderacharya.com/ Srila Prabhupada: the Founder-acarya of ISKCON and, as a member and one of the earliest French disciples of His Divine Grace still practicing, I want to express my indignation. Some people accuse me of having left the institution, but I consider myself as belonging to the greater, real ISKCON, not to what my guru's mission has sadly been made into.
[PADA: What is sad is that Jayantakrid worships the people who have made ISKCON what it is today, for example Sridhara Maharaja said that the guru voting program should be introduced into ISKCON, and it was. And the result is that fools are being voted in. Of course, Sridhara Maharaja made a homosexual guru deviation in 1936 with the same results, their mission was ruined.]
I am somewhat disconcerted that the GBC has imposed their unenlightened views on the society once again. The same root reason for their past blunder of presenting the 11 ritviks named by Srila Prabhupada in July 1977 to initiate on his behalf as long as he was sick, as chosen successors and rubber-stamping them as “His Divine Grace, 108, uttama-adhikari and what not, and their countless subsequent mistakes and failures, is again producing sour fruits.
[PADA: Except Sridhara Maharaja, Gaura Govinda Maharaja and Narayana Maharaja all worked along with Tamal and his "chosen successors" program.]
What is that reason? It is the stubborn refusal to approach higher-level sadhus for siksa. As Srila Prabhupada had mentioned that one could approach his Godbrother, the acarya board of ISKCON approached Srila BR Sridhara Maharaja in 1977, but only to use him to establish themselves as gurus, to have the stamp of approval of a senior Vaisnava to back up their scam and rule the mission they had just high-jacked, not for taking siksa.
[PADA: OK good, so Jayantakrid admits that Sridhara Maharaja gave his stamp of approval to the bogus guru scam of the 11. Correct. And Sridhara Maharaja co-wrote the ZONAL GURU deviation by saying, there will be the acharya of the zone. And Narayana Maharaja had been their rasika guru all along from the 1980s to the 1990s, and Gaura Govinda Maharaja is their voted in co-acharya. So all of these people helped the bogus guru scam. So they are ALL responsible for the results, since they co-created this mess.]
The ISKCON leaders are thus left with their minds as authority, like munis, or any common person for that matter.
[PADA: Since the 11 GBC were already rubber stamped as gurus by people like Sridhara, Narayana and Gaura Govinda maharajas, why would they need to consult anyone else anyway? The guru does not need to consult with a GBC, or a Gaudiya Matha person, and so on and so forth, he is independent. The problem is that the false gurus were rubber stamped by these folks.]
Actually, anyone who has not prayed for and approached a higher siksa-guru after Srila Prabhupada’s physical departure proves he or she has not understood that fundamental point of his teachings: to always be in higher sadhu-sanga. Srila Prabhupada clearly speaks of siksa-guru in the very first chapter of the Chaitanya Charitamrita. It is said that the association of saints is the birthplace of bhakti, and that one should always associate with saints, even up to prema, as it is still the main limb of bhakti.
[PADA: Yet you just said that the GBC's higher authorities rubber stamped the 11 as gurus? We were opposing the GBC gurus, and your rubber stampers were giving us a nightmare by opposing us. And by your group opposing us, our members were being banned, beaten and assassinated.]
Once again they have legislated that this sadhu-sanga can only be done within the walls of the institution, they have thereby cheated the whole society and presented themselves de facto as the sadhus. It is like interbreeding, and everyone knows the danger of consanguinity. They are bleeding inside each other’s wounds… They present their ISKCON gurus as the only possible boats one can take to cross over the ocean of material existence, but it’s a great violence to propose stone boats and forbid their dependents to take shelter of good boats.
[PADA: Yet the leaders of your good boat helped the captains of the stone boat become authorized.]
To present themselves as the only choice, they have to character assassinate the Gaudiya Math, seen as “the competition”, therefore they present the various sadhus thereof as spiritually impotent. At the same time, maybe out of fear of vaisnava-aparadha, or maybe and I prefer to believe so, out of intellectual integrity, Ravindra Svarupa writes, "Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura attracted many luminaries,” (p12) then minimizes it by writing, "Many senior Gaudiya Math disciples left the institution in disgust,” (p13) without mentioning, except in a footnote (p66-67) that those who did not participate in the controversy (and therefore do not fit into the category of asara).
[PADA: Sridhara Maharaja was a ring leader of the 1936 controversy, he appointed a bi-sexual deviant as the acharya of the Gaudiya Matha. Dissenters were banned, beaten and killed, that is worse that asara, that is getting Vaishnavas beaten and killed, just like Sridhara's support of the 11 got more Vaishnavas beaten and killed.]
Srila Prabhupada actually co-founded the Gaudiya Vedanta Samiti in the 1940s with his would be sannyasa-guru Srila BP Kesava Maharaja. Some also preached outside of India, partly through their western followers who had left ISKCON disgusted with the “illusions of proprietorship” of the Zonal acaryas.
[PADA: And Sridhara Maharaja was the leader of the post-1977 GBC's zonal acharya deviation. He said there will be "the acharya of the zone." There is no such thing as a zonal acharya, he has no idea what is an acharya. So Sridhara Maharaja co-created the zonal acharyas, and then people left in disgust, well that is correct. After 1936 people left the Gaudiya Matha being disgusted with Sridhara Maharaja and his sexual predator acharya program. Sridhara Maharaja rubber stamps bogus gurus, and then everyone leaves in disgust, that is correct.]
But Ravindra Svarupa insists, "Srila Prabhupada made a kind of reboot - and-recovery of Mahaprabhu’s mission”, (p41) completely discrediting the Gaudiya Math. Completely and offensively discarding the preaching of many Gaudiya Math sadhus, Ravindra Svarupa writes, "Animated by the indwelling spirit of its founder-acarya, ISKCON is the embodiment in this world of the spiritual potency of Lord Caitanya." (P50)
This is so much wishful thinking! Countless ISKCON devotees have taken shelter of Gaudiya math sadhus after the falldown of their guru(s) having been promoted as bona fide by the GBC, or after realizing they had been short-changed, but how many devotees from the Gaudiya math are joining ISKCON? Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura wrote, "If those who have no inclination for bhajana do not get the association of Vaisnavas who are immersed in the bliss of bhajana, they’ll become completely materialistic in no time."
[PADA: Yes, but it was Sridhara Maharaja, Narayana Maharaja and GGM who supported the GBCs gurus. And when their bogus gurus started to fall, Sridhara Maharaja said that is what happens, acharyas go mad after money, women and followers. No, we neophytes go mad after mundane things, not the acharyas? Instead of admitting they promoted false acharyas, they began to argue, acharyas are falling down left, right and center. And thus ISKCON became a mundane program because it was worshiping mundane people.]
For such people it is nothing but self-deception to establish and promote themselves as representing the society of Gauranga without association with suddha-vaisnavas.” (Sri Caitanya- siksamrta)
Then Ravindra Svarupa writes, "ISKCON is exemplifying unity in diversity" (p50) This is not possible if one has a sectarian mood. In the words Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura, sampradaya-virodho yam davanalo vicintyate. “The eleventh obstacle of the Vaisnavas is sectarianism, which takes the shape of the forest fire. Due to sectarianism a person cannot accept anyone outside of his own group as a Vaisnava, and as a result he faces many obstacles in finding a guru and associating with devotees. Therefore extinguishing the forest fire is most important.”
[PADA: So this is important, Sridhara Maharaja, Narayana Maharaja and GGM started a forest fire by supporting false and sectarian gurus. And that is what Srila Prabhupada also said, Sridhara Maharaja's false guru program "started a fire in the Gaudiya Matha." And now these people are the number one obstacle to people finding a bona fide guru. As soon as anyone takes shelter of Srila Prabhupada they are criticized as "being like the Christians" etc.]
Then Ravindra Svarupa quotes a letter by Srila Prabhupada, “But if we fight on account of diversity, then it’s simply the material platform.” (P51) So stop fighting! Get off the material platform instead of presenting pages and pages of rhetoric and verbiage in a document that took 6 years to produce but which is full of misconceptions and statements out of touch with reality.
[PADA: The reality is that Sridhara Maharaja, Narayana Maharaja and GGM supporting and promoting the worship of illicit sex acharyas has ruined the good name of Krishna all over the planet, just like they ruined to good name of the Gaudiya Matha by the same process.]
When you know that this paper has been approved by all their gurus, swamis and leaders, you can understand the level of their advancement… Ravindra Svarupa insists again, quoting a 1969 letter of Srila Prabhupada out of context, “The Gaudiya math has failed” (p58). However, Srila Prabhupada said in 1977, “ No more non-cooperation. Now everyone cooperates to spread Lord Caitanya’s movement.” and it’s quoted p61! Why not act upon that?
[PADA: We should cooperate to promote Sridhara Maharaja's illicit sex guru program, and ruin the name of Lord Chaitanya's mission, just as they did after 1936? And that is what Gaura Govinda Maharaja told me, he has to cooperate with the GBC guru program. Which previous acharyas cooperated with the worship of illicit sex acharyas?]
There is a spiritual axiom, which states clearly that one cannot progress from one adhikara of bhakti to the next without associating with a living uttama-adhikari (See Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 16.74 Purport and Madhya 22.71, Purport, and Srila Sarasvati Thakura’s commentary in Bhag 11.2) When is the last time ISKCON leaders availed themselves of that higher association?
[PADA: OK so the Sridhara Maharaja / Narayana Maharaja / Gaura Govinda Maharaja program promotes the worship of "living" sex with taxi drivers, how does that elevate anyone?]
Almost 40 years ago, before Srila Prabhupada left! How did the ISKCON leaders go from the kanistha-adhikara to the madhyama-adhikara level, what to speak of up to the uttama-adhikara level? The answer is very simple: according to the above-mentioned axiom they did not!
[PADA: So if they are not uttama, why were their advisors promoting them as uttama?]
Moreover, it should be stated: “By an offense against the dearest devotee of the Lord, even real bhava will be destroyed, if the offense is grave. If the offense is medium, the bhava will turn to bhava-abhasa. If the offense is slight, the bhava will become an inferior type.” (BRS, 1.3.54)
[PADA: Correct, many sannyasas fell down in the Gaudiya Matha after 1936 because they supported the false guru program, and the same thing happened in ISKCON.]
One is retrograded to a lower adhikara if one offends sadhus. They committed vaisnava-aparadhas against Srila BR Sridhara, Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja and Srila BV Narayana Maharaja. So where are they at now? There are only a few who have not succumbed to the various trappings surrounding the position of guru. Over 50% of the ISKCON gurus [75 out of 140 (I have stopped there)] have fallen down. And that’s the official record…) while some have maintained themselves somewhat afloat by continuing to serve the mission and practicing vaidhi-bhakti, but without vertical advancement to higher levels, due to no sadhu-sanga, they only make horizontal progress within the kanistha-adhikara.
[PADA: That is what Sridhara Maharaja established in the Gaudiya Matha, Srila Prabhupada said the leaders there are "fourth class and tenth class," so they were not making advancement.]
Back to Prabhupada, No. 31, Spring 2011 Ravindra Svarupa speaks of the importance of Srila Prabhupada’s presence "to be felt in the life of every ISKCON devotee today and in the lives of devotees many centuries in the future" (p11). How is this different from Christianity? He speaks of establishing Srila Prabhupada as "the founder-acarya of ISKCON for all times" (p16), as if Srila Prabhupada needed the GBC and had waited for them to do so.
[PADA: OK but if we are not going to worship Srila Prabhupada (the "Christian idea") whom will we worship instead? Why not tell us who is going to be the current worshiped person instead? Not naming this alleged person has lead to all sorts of endless speculation.]
No one contests this position to Srila Prabhupada, so "for all times" is irrelevant, unless the GBC means something else than the words indicated when they speak of establishing Srila Prabhupada as such. And this is what it is all about: Behind the words "founder-acarya," there is a whole doctrine, which is presented and developed point by point. And it has nothing to do with the Gaudiya Vaisnava tradition. The need to “keep Srila Prabhupada in the center” (p17) comes when no qualified gurus are there, (or the highly qualified one has not been recognized), and when so many gurus have fallen down, bringing about the extreme reaction to an extreme situation: the ritvik-vadis, who are continuously challenging and attacking the GBC position on the guru issue. Ritvik-vada is also inspired by Christianity.
[PADA: And what exactly is the system of making illicit sex gurus -- as was established by Sridhara Mahararaja et al. -- going to accomplish? Where does Srila Prabhupada say worship of the pure devotee is a deviation, or a version of Christianity?]
The ideas of Srila Prabhupada being “not less a presence to subsequent generations than he has been to the first. Some believe he could even be more;” of “fostering in all devotees of ISKCON generation after generation an ever-increasing awareness of their deep connection with its founder-acarya;” (p17) of Srila Prabhupada “being a perpetual indwelling active, guiding and directing presence;” (p22) of Srila Prabhupada “being an inescapable, predominant, felt presence in the lives of all devotees, no matter who else may serve as their diksa-guru;” (p 24) and of “If Srila Prabhupada’s position as Founder-acarya is realized, generation after generation will be able to receive his special mercy;” (p 25) smells terribly like Christianity. Or is it kowtowing to the ritvik-vadis, who are de facto following the Christian tradition of one savior, Lord Jesus-Christ, and everyone else is just a helper?
[PADA: Again, fails to name who will be the current acharya instead?]
Calling the gurus ‘teachers’ (p 25) and ‘guides’ (p 86) just fit that idea Srila Prabhupada’s books will naturally be read as we read Srila Rupa Gosvami’s or Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura’s books. Why try to invent something? Why do we want to apply indiscriminately to all devotees what applies to his direct disciples? Ravindra Svarupa speaks of “authentically conveying Srila Prabhupada’s real teachings” (p27). Why don’t they start to teach what he taught on jiva-tattva and guru-tattva instead of the apasiddhantas they have voted or are constantly adjusting?
[PADA: The Gaudiya Matha guru tattva is that they appointed some fools as gurus, and those fools appointed more fools, thus Srila Prabhupada says that "another man comes to be guru, then another then another" (as each one fails in succession) and this is "kill guru and become guru." As for jeeva tattva, Srila Prabhupada said the Gaudiya Matha idea that we do not originate with Krishna is tinged with mayavada.]
GBC's institutional role according to Srila Prabhupada Ravindra Svarupa speaks of Srila Prabhupada having made the GBC his “chosen successor at the head of ISKCON.” (P82) Where is the evidence for this? Who is foolish enough to accept that, except uneducated devotees, particularly the new ones?
[PADA: Who has been foolish enough to accept that Srila Prabhupada appointed gurus? Well these fools would be folks like -- Sridhara Maharaja, Narayana Maharaja and Gaura Govinda Maharaja, they all boosted and promoted the appointed 11 gurus "big lie." Yes, who would be so foolish as to accept this big lie? Good point!]
Srila Prabhupada made the GBC the ultimate managing authority, not the ultimate spiritual authority. He said that he had created the GBC for big egos, that it was the watchdog of ISKCON. GBC members are simply to see that things are going on; So how is it that the GBC are the final authority? They are simply to examine that things are going on nicely, that is all. (Letter July 9, 1971) GBC men should not dictate very much, simply supervise and see that the standards are maintained. (Letter, February 14th 1972)
[PADA: So why does Sridhara Maharaja create the worship of illicit sex acharyas as the standard? And why does he establish that we have to offer bhogha to such deviants?]
What will happen when I am not here, shall everything be spoiled by GBC? So for the time being, let the GBC activities be suspended until I thoroughly revise the whole procedure. (Letter, April 11th 1972) I made the GBC to give me relief, but if you do like this, then where is the relief. It is anxiety for me. This is the difficulty, that as soon as one gets power, he becomes whimsical and spoils everything. (Letter, Sept 12th 1974)
I am training some of my experienced disciples how to manage after my departure. So if instead of taking the training, if in my lifetime you people say ‘I am the Lord of all I survey’, that is dangerous conspiracy. (Letter, Oct 8th 1974) Now has the GBC become more than Guru Maharaja?
(Letter, Nov 10th 1975) It is now evident that some of our top men are very much ambitious and there has been so many fall-downs. (Letter, January 27th, 1975) The GBC’s record of blunders is so bad that they are an authority only in their own minds, especially a spiritual authority. This is utterly ludicrous. They have been changing their position on the guru issue so many times that one cannot keep track of it, and now they have almost joined the ritvik-vadis in their conclusions.
When the GBC finally admitted in 1990 in the Vaisvava Journal No. 1 through an excellent article of Ravindra Svarupa that Srila Prabhupada had NOT appointed the 11 as guru successors and that the infamous, preposterous zonal-acarya concept had been properly rejected in 1985, then the ritvik-vadis attacks against the GBC and their popularity went down. But when the GBC retracted themselves later on, the ritvik-vadis flourished more and more and have challenged and defeated regularly the GBC’s untenable position on the guru issue, so much so that the GBC is more and more openly agreeable to some form of ritvik-vada, which Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja called “ prachanna ritvik-vada”, or covered ritvik-vada.
[PADA: Good, so we get the main credit, because the main people who oppose the worship of illicit sex acharyas have been the ritviks, while at the same time Gaura Govinda Maharaja was cooperating with the deviants and attacking the ritviks, In 1990 Narayana Maharaja was the GBC's rasika acharya, and the only reason Gaura Govinda Maharaja was "voted in as acharya" is because Sridhara Maharaja had told the GBC to vote in more acharyas. That means the ritviks were the only people pointing out all these deviations, while Jayanakrd's program was participating, acquiescing if not supporting these deviations.
Of course this begs the question, since many of the elder people like Rupanuga, Hansadutta, Brahmananda, Tamal, and many other original disciples, apparently knew that for example Kirtanananda was one of the members of a gay household, and he was inclined to oppose Srila Prabhupada, why didn't they say something when Kirtanananda mounted a Vyasa seat a few years later? And why did they remain silent when the GBC went off to the Gaudiya Matha, knowing how much Srila Prabhupada opposed their program? Why didn't they all join me to protest Jayatirtha's sex and drugs and rock and roll program, and so on and so forth? Its a mystery.]
Their present philosophy, presented in this position paper is actually nothing short of ritvik-vada with a thin veneer of the traditional guru idea, so that they can get all the benefits of a guru position without assuming its responsibilities.
[PADA: Who is your traditional guru now? And why have you people said the tradition is illicit sex?]
They more or less agree with the ritvik-vadis that their present gurus cannot deliver their disciples by not being able to deliver to them the ‘transcendental necessities’ (see C.C. Madhya 24.330 Purport: suddha-nama, divya-jnana, etc.) and that it is Srila Prabhupada who is delivering them to their disciples. They say that if one’s guru falls down one can take shelter of Srila Prabhupada and be saved anyway. Well, that is not the Gaudiya-Vaisnava philosophy.
[PADA: OK but who do we take shelter of?]
It is Christian or maybe at best from the Sri Ramanuja and Sri Madhva lines but Srila Prabhupada or our previous Gaudiya acaryas never encouraged that. How GBC ritvik-vada philosophy formed
Srila Prabhupada asked Tamal Krishna Goswami to make a GBC meeting to decide who would initiate after him. Tamal Krishna Goswami disobeyed and did not arrange the meeting because he didn't think he would be selected.
[PADA: Why then did Narayana Maharaja say that Tamal is the dear tree of Radharani, that he is a guru and so on, if Tamal was disobeying his guru? Why didn't Narayana Maharaja help us when we pointed this out?]
During the last month of his lila, Srila Prabhupada asked Tamal Krishna Goswami to make a GBC meeting and decide who would initiate after him. Bhakti Charu Swami was a witness and has admitted it. Tamal Krishna Goswami did not obey. Srila Prabhupada asked him if they had a meeting and Tamal Krishna Goswami answered that they did not. Srila Prabhupada then asked him if he (Srila Prabhupada) should suggest some names Tamal Krishna Goswami answered negatively.
He admitted later that he thought he would not be chosen but that it would be Kirtanananda or Satsvarupa. Then, as Tamal Krishna Goswami still did not obey and did not call for a meeting, Srila Prabhupada suggested the names of Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja or HH Radha-Govinda Swami, or both.
[PADA: There was no appointment of any acharyas, whether Tamal or anyone else. Had Tamal, or Gaura Govinda Maharaja or anyone else had been appointed as guru, Srila Prabhupada would have made that clear to the whole society.]
Bhakti Charu Swami was also in the room in 1979 when Srila Prabhupada’s god-brother Sri Akincana Krsna dasa babaji Maharaja, whom Srila Prabhupada said was a paramahamsa, came and examined Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja when he was displaying uncommon symptoms and confirmed he was in bhava.
[PADA: Gaura Govinda Maharaja said to me that he has to cooperate, tolerate and work with the GBC gurus. There are no examples of ANY acharyas in bhava who were voted in at sexual predator guru recoronations? Mixing up bhava with sexual predator guru recoronations is confusing the public. Moreover the title of Vishnupada is meant for the bhava acharyas and not for sexual predators, yet GGM compromised with recoronating a sexual deviant as Vishnupada.]
Srila Prabhupada had given us an indirect hint by repeatedly telling us that his Guru Maharaja had not appointed an acarya but that “ his idea was, ‘let them manage then whoever is qualified for becoming Acarya, he’ll manifest’.” (Letter 21.9.1973) and “his idea was that who would come out successfully and self-effulgent acarya would be selected.’ ” (Letter 28.4.1974) So Srila Prabhupada was certainly against artificially making an acarya, but not at all against recognizing one. So, here we had one! He was in bhava, an uttama-adhikara.
But what did the GBC say? “No, he is just greedy to become a guru, and the Babaji is trying to help him. We won’t accept him.”
[PADA: That is another problem, Gaura Govinda Maharaja had the photo of a babaji on his altars and he was not recognized by Srila Prabhupada as bona fide.]
It is said atmavan manyate jagat, one sees the world according to one’s own mentality. How more self-effulgent an acarya did they want than Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja to be?
[PADA: OK so GGM was voted in as guru at the recoronation of a known sexual predator who was reportedly having sex with taxi drivers, he is bona fide, the people who protested are not bona fide? That rewards ill behavior.]
When I presented the idea to the GBC in 1994, Bhakti Charu Swami said that this was the worst attack of kali against the movement since the gopi-bhava club of LA in the early 70s, thus calling me a kali-cela. That year he was trying to push a resolution that every new disciple should establish his relationship with Srila Prabhupada as the most important thing in his/her spiritual life.
Now he has succeeded. Kali has successfully neutralized the once so powerful ISKCON society by reducing it to an impotent religion, a mere sukrti producing factory. It is sad to see new people joining ISKCON on the basis of Srila Prabhupada’s books but being served this Christian-ritvik soup.
[PADA: OK except Gaura Govinda Maharaja is also departed? You are still promoting a departed person?]
The “philosophical response” of the GBC to my suggestion of a guru-reform was 100 Bengali devotees with the order to scare me to death; a smaller GBC group even told them to beat me and leave me with my breath.
[PADA: Right, so GGM was supporting a violent guru cult that was banning, beating and assassinating people. Why was he doing that? And does this not make him partially responsible for the banning, beating and assassinating, since he was a card carrying member of their group? If you had been beaten up, you would have simply experienced what many other victims of GGM's bogus guru program has experienced already.]
I have heard the same arguments used against Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja, who was an ISKCON member and against Srila BV Narayana Maharaja, who was outside of ISKCON: "We have to protect ISKCON." I have come with the passing of time to read this as, "We have to protect our own positions in ISKCON, our monies, manpower, pratistha and facilities."
[PADA: That is what GGM's followers told me, he has to stay in ISKCON or he will have no position, no temples and manpower. Same idea, he wanted these assets and so he acquiesced with the GBC to get them.]
The Jews are still waiting for the Messiah.
[PADA: And so are you, you have not mentioned who the current acharya is, that means you are waiting for one to appear. That is what Christians are doing, waiting for the second coming.]
The GBC tried to promote 11 kanisthas as the successor acaryas then, when their fraudulent, sinister plot was exposed, they dropped the idea, thus “throwing the baby out with the bath water.” Missed boats of opportunity It brings to my mind a French joke: Once there was a great flood. The people in a small town were being evacuated. The local priest, Father Hubert was in the church, praying. The Firemen came on a Zodiac boat and told him he should come with them.
He said he depended on God’s mercy and had full faith in it. The water kept on rising. The Fire Brigade kept on evacuating the people. When the water was more than halfway up the big entrance doors of the church, they came back and told the priest, who had climbed up the preaching chair, “Father Hubert! You must come now! The water is rising and we won’t be able to come back for you. We can barely pass under the entrance porch now.” He refused again, repeating he had faith and depended on the Almighty.
They insisted but he refused so they left. He drowned in the rising waters. When he arrived at the gates of heaven, he was loudly complaining, “I prayed and prayed with faith, but God did nothing!” St Peter told him, “Just wait a moment. Let me consult our registers. What’s your name again?” He exclaimed, “I just told you. I am Father Hubert, the unfortunate priest forsaken by God in spite of his faithful prayers!” St Peter looked at him sternly and said, “Sorry, Father Hubert, but this is not a fact! You can see for yourself what is written next to your name here: Father Hubert: …2 Zodiac boats.
Srila Prabhupada had arranged for the Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja boat, whom they enviously rejected and slandered until Krishna took him away the very eve of the day they wanted to forbid him to preach worldwide.
[PADA: Gaura Govinda Maharaja had challenged the GBC that they should not say that the jeevas were originally with Krishna, ok except -- that is what Srila Prabhupada taught us. In other words, GGM was trying to challenge Srila Prabhupada's statements that we all originated with Krishna. So the GBC was trying to forbid him from preaching because he was saying that Srila Prabhupada's ideas are false. GGM was not challenging the GBC, he was challenging Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada had told us that anyone who does not accept that we were originally with Krishna is "tinged with mayavada." So for once the GBC was doing the right thing, they were telling someone not to challenge the statements of the acharya.]
So they missed that boat, which was within the society itself. Srila Prabhupada had also arranged for the Srila BR Sridhara Maharaja's boat, whom the GBC rejected in 1992 when he suggested them to let other devotees who were as much or more advanced than those in place to become gurus (which was not difficult given the hecatomb which followed over the years.)
[PADA: Right, Sridhara Maharaja said that the GBC should vote in more gurus. He forgot something, gurus are not voted in? And how can unqualified persons vote for gurus in any case? Should the janitor be in charge of certifying the brain surgeons?]
So they missed that boat too, from outside the society. Srila Prabhupada had arranged a third boat, also outside the society, the Srila BV Narayana Maharaja boat, who gave them good advice for years and even saved ISKCON from Srila Prabhupada’s son who claimed it as his inheritance.
[PADA: Narayana Maharaja formed the so-called rasika club with the GBC leaders and he was encouraging their idea that they were acharyas. He was feeding their illusions. He also helped Satsvarupa write the "Guru Reform Notebook" -- where they said gurus deviate and need reform. This is an offense to the platform of guru, to say gurus are mundane men who need reform.]
Some top leaders approached him for siksa but later rejected him under their peers’ pressure. The result of rejecting a bona fide guru is that they are cursed and that nobody can give them shelter. (Srila Narayana Maharaja said that they had actually approached him to get higher knowledge so that they could compete with Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja who had siksa disciples of 30 ISKCON gurus plus a few Prabhupada disciples taking siksa from him.)
[PADA: Right, so the GBC gurus were taking shiksha from Sridhara Maharaja, Narayana Maharaja and GGM, that means all of these people were validating the false guru claim.]
By the way, if Srila BV Narayana Maharaja was not bona fide and top leaders approached him for siksa, what does that tell about their qualifications? And since he is bona fide but they rejected him, what does that tell about their qualifications and those of the GBC who made a horrendous campaign of slander against him? So they missed that boat too. Ravindra Svarupa’s paper is an implicit admission that none of the present ISKCON gurus are actually qualified, especially p. 98 where he’s asking a rhetorical question, “What if there are a number of self-effulgent acaryas?” and an insult to Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja not recognizing him as such.
The GBC is left with the only sadhu they have met and recognized as such, our Srila Prabhupada, but they are trying to make him into some kind of a Jesus-Christ figure, with some kind of “born-again Hare Krsna” mentality that one is saved if he belongs to ISKCON and that, “it doesn’t matter if your guru is not qualified or falls down because “Lord Prabhupada” will save you anyway.
[PADA: OK meanwhile Jayantakrid keeps saying departed people are going to save us now, he refers to Sridhara Maharaja, Narayana Maharaja and Gaura Govinda Maharaja, all of them are now departed. So he is promoting the worship of departed persons himself.]
Ravindra Svarupa writes, “the central temple opens a gateway to the vertical dimension” (p86) but since when do buildings and not sadhus save the people? Ravindra Svarupa gives the example of the sampradaya-acaryas, but if you follow that line of thought, our sampradaya acarya is Madhvacarya, so should we follow the udharaka (savior) and upakaraka (helpers) conception of the Madhvas and Ramanujas? Ravindra Svarupa defends his paper against this accusation in
http://www.dandavats.com/?p=16356"
Response to Criticism of the Founder-Acarya Book, but where is the difference, really? One may say that since Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu we have become a special branch of the Madhva line, the Gaudiya line. Then the sampradaya acarya is Srila Rupa Gosvami, as we are called rupanugas. But did Srila Prabhupada ever instruct us to take Rupa Gosvami as the sampradaya acarya and follow the Madhvas/Ramanujas’ mood? Trying to make Srila Prabhupada into a special founder-acarya that he already is, shows the spiritual bankruptcy of the GBC. They are still trying to cling to Srila Prabhupada, as they only see the body, not understanding that, “ Krishna and His representative are the same. The spiritual master is the principle, not the body.” (SP Letter 28.4.1968)
Having missed a basic tenet of Vaisnavism, the siksa-guru conception, they’re left with trying to concoct a solution for the salvation of their members instead of accepting Srila Prabhupada’s teachings and solution.
Therefore they present Srila Prabhupada as the savior. Most if not all ISKCON gurus share the same misconception: “I am not a qualified guru but I am connecting my disciples to Srila Prabhupada so they’re going Back To Godhead through his mercy.” That is not our Gaudiya-Vaisnava philosophy. That is Christianity or covered ritvik-vada, consciously or not.
It is an apasiddhanta and as such should be opposed. The GBC are responsible for misleading their dependents with a kind of morbid, nostalgic brand of Christian-ritvik-vada instead of promoting Srila Prabhupada’s healthy philosophy: to always be in higher sadhu-sanga. Granted, Srila Prabhupada at one point recommended us not to associate with most of his god-brothers because they had not recognized his greatness, but his last words, as quoted by Ravindra Svarupa (p66-7) were different.
Why cling to the former instructions and not the latest? Conclusion: It is a basic teaching, included in ISKCON, that if one is not able to deliver one’s dependents, he should connect them with one who can.
[PADA: People who promote the worship of illicit sex acharyas are not connected to the parampara.]
That person must be a presently living saint, not Srila Prabhupada. Pure sadhus are always there. Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja used to say that ropes of mercy are hanging but we do not see them. Such sadhus are the ornaments of the Earth. Without them, it could not exist, just like it could not exist without the sun and the moon. One has to look for their association, pray and cry for it. And not be sectarian and think that such a sadhu can only be in one’s institution. Every time a boat of merciful salvation is presented, it is a challenge to sectarianism, that great enemy of truth, and to one’s preconceived ideas.
[PADA: Gaura Govinda Maharaja said the same thing, you cannot accept Srila Prabhupada as the acharya, you have to pray for someone else. What if Srila Prabhupada is the person people prayed for and Gaura Govinda Maharaja is blocking them from getting Srila Prabhupada? Jayantakrid says there is always a pure devotee present, nope, Srila Prabhupada says there are gaps. Anyway, he cannot identify this alleged present person?
One thing we keep noticing is that people like Jayantakrid are trying to re-write the history of what happened in ISKCON. I was recently engaged in a discussion with a Jayapataka disciple, and he was totally out of touch, confused, and he basically had everything mixed up.
The good news is that the PADA version of history is gradually being accepted as the factual version by the majority of devotees. For example, just a few days ago some GBC guru's folks wrote to tell me that until recently they were accepting the Jayadvaita version of events, but NOW they think our idea of Jayadvaita and his deviations -- is the correct idea. One brick at a time.
We have all along been working with various devotees who have been writing and recording things since the 1980s, and our version has already been accepted and presented: Within various devotee essays and web sites; Within various newspaper articles and various TV presentations; Within books like Monkey on a Stick, on CBS TV news accounts and so on and so forth.
We have also been consulted by various law enforcement agencies and they have accepted our version as accurate. And some of our web site's documents have been used in lawsuits in India and elsewhere, wherein the question of "who is the acharya of ISKCON" is being legally challenged, and the documents we forwarded are being accepted as credible and authorized.
Similarly, more and more of the devotees themselves are accepting the documents on our sites and our analysis of those documents that we have forwarded over the years -- such as -- the July 9th letter, the will, the appointment tape analysis, the poison issue, the book changes issue, the criminality issue, and in fact a number other the documents we originally forwarded back in the 1980s are being more widely known and accepted over the years.
Its amazing to me that a few GBC hold outs and their sympathizers like Dayalu Nitai's HKC Jaipur are still saying that all of the documents of Srila Prabhupada that we originally forwarded (like his will), our testimony to law enforcement, our collation of Srila Prabhupada quotes, as well as the testimony of hundreds of devotees, as well as some hidden audio tapes we forwarded before anyone else did, as well as other evidences from shastra collated by others -- and so on, all of which we forwarded over the years -- "has no credibility." Well jeepers, why is everyone discussing all this then?
Just about everyone accepts that we are right by our saying -- Kirtanananda is not the next messiah and the GBC has been bogus to promote him as such. So now we are down to a very small group that is not accepting, i.e. the few remaining hold out supporters of the GBC's gurus and their groupies and cheer leaders, which is an ever dwindling group.
Anyway, regarding this article, right, the worship of pure devotees is "like Christianity" -- and that is evil! What we need to do it -- worship the Sridhara Maharaja / Narayana Maharaja / Gaura Govinda maharaja program / -- all of whom supported the GBC's "live gurus," and most of the GBC's gurus have fallen down. Then Sridhara Maharaja / Narayana Maharaja / Gaura Govinda Maharaja have also said, gurus are often fallen debauchees, no problem, they are always falling down. Who knew! ys pd]