tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post3709643131120535990..comments2024-03-27T16:45:50.376-07:00Comments on krishna1008: Importance of Poison Issue (by Mahatma das)krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-13692856363680507592014-04-07T18:23:19.531-07:002014-04-07T18:23:19.531-07:00* Ok here is my alternative version. Prabhupada wa...* Ok here is my alternative version. Prabhupada was leaving his body. I was in the room. Someone said Prabhupada thinks he has been poisoned. I asked Prabhupada, and he said no, but go along with it to see what happens. So I walked back to where Tamal had the tape recorder and I whispered, "The poison is going down." The tape recorder was turned off. "Why are you saying that?" asked Tamal. "Because Prabhupada said to" I told him. "I'm getting in on that" Tamal said and he started saying his own things. Prabhupada had his plan. I couldn't understand it back then. Now I do.<br /><br />[PADA: Like we said many times before, there has not been a better explanation. The above is a good example of an "explanation" that makes no sense at all -- thus our version is being accepted by default. Any alternate version to our version has to go through the entire conversations line by line, as we have done, and offer a better explanation, line by line. <br /><br />You'd need to make a detailed position paper including all the quotes, whispers and etc. as we have done. Otherwise, you are floundering with a few partial few pot shots at our version. That will not be accepted as anything more than whipped up knee jerk sentimentalism, and not a solid position paper and counter proposal on the topic. ys pd krishna1008https://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-82558644313117467942014-04-07T16:49:19.510-07:002014-04-07T16:49:19.510-07:00Well Pada what is your point then? If poisoning Pr...Well Pada what is your point then? If poisoning Prabhupada didn't do anything to him what's the problem? Did you wish the poison DID act? Because you seem to try to ruin everything Prabhupada ever did. You criticize his disciples to no end for staying in ISKCON. You critiicize the gurus for making those who left ISKCON leave. You say there isn't enough laxmi due to lawsuits yet YOU are the one coming up with new plans for lawsuits day and night. YOU appear to be the demon here, and I'm not saying that for anyone to attack you, it is just a fact. You seem to actually relish exposing the faults of others and this is not a Vaishnava quality, rather a devotee looks inward to find his own faults. Most of the poison givers if there ever were any are dead and gone, and when Prabhupada said poison he might simply have meant his disciples weren't cooking properly for him. You always take things out of context. <br /><br />[PADA: Thanks but, most devotees and people in general believe our version of the history of all this, that is why we are consulted for media stories and devotees write us privately all the time telling us various horror stories, asking us questions, asking for clarification and etc. If our version is wrong, then fine, you are free to present your version. What is your version? Srila Prabhupada said he is being given poison, the people in the room are whsipering about giving him poison, and so on. We have an understanding of that, what is yours? You cannot simply say our version is the wrong version, and not give us what you believe is the correct version? This is not allowed in Vedic debates, you cannot chop the opponents views, and not present the actual and correct views. Its not allowed. What really happened here, you tell us. And you have to show us the correct version of the history with citations, quotes, excerpts from the 1977 conversations and etc. -- which is what we did, we cited the actual conversations. We need to see you cite all this material, and give us the better understanding of it, you failed to do that. That means our version is being more and more accepted simply by default, because you have not presented any alternate. Show us the alternate view, in an elaborate position paper with citations, as we have done, and we will review it right here in public. ys pd krishna1008https://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-6355638522922655502014-04-07T05:47:21.548-07:002014-04-07T05:47:21.548-07:00@"I am one whos glad the poison problem is kn...@"I am one whos glad the poison problem is known." Thing is that yes, Prabhupada states there is poison. However, Prabhupada never says that he is unable to counteract that poison. <br /><br />[PADA: We never said different? You are arguing with yourself?]<br /><br />You jump to conclusion that Prabhupada and Krishna Himself were helpless to do something. <br /><br />[PADA: If you want to discuss any of this you have to quote exactly what he said and what we said. He and us never said the above, you are arguing with yourself. You have to quote exact statements, if you make up what we said, or what he said, then you are arguing with yourself. ys pd] krishna1008https://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-50814434534544379092014-04-06T13:15:07.126-07:002014-04-06T13:15:07.126-07:00I am one whos glad the poison problem is known. I ...I am one whos glad the poison problem is known. I say thanks Mr. PADA for making this public, Why would I say this? Because this makes everything else after 1977 clear. I also agree that Jesus had only one Judas, while we have 11 Judas. Why? Because Kali Yuga increases since the time of Jesus. Now we have more Judas than Jesus had. I agree Srila Prabhupada was attacked, his movement was attacked, his books were attacked, his children were attacked, his devotees were attacked. That is the best way to understand what happens in ISKCON. I do not see any better explanation, because there is none.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-74960652147986625582014-04-06T08:44:56.327-07:002014-04-06T08:44:56.327-07:00@"what was being said in 1977 by Srila Prabhu...@"what was being said in 1977 by Srila Prabhupada" Prabhupada says millions of times that a pure devotee is protected by the Lord's Sudarsana chakra. <br /><br />[PADA: You are preaching that Jesus was not protected, Satan won? Not sure what your point is?]<br /><br />*** Now some moron states, wait, what if Krishna was dancing with the gopis and forgot to protect Prabhupada, therefore the poison did act? <br /><br />[PADA: This is what the atheists preach, that Jesus was not protected, Satan is more powerful than God.]<br /><br />*** Hm, sleep tight, atheist. Your Godlessness is not supported by scripture. <br /><br />[PADA: You are preaching what the Satanists are preaching, that God did not protect Jesus, Satan has more power than God, because God could not protect Jesus from Satan.]<br /><br />*** God is there 24/7 to personally protect His pure devotee. You simply make out of TKG&co mega powerful demons who could kill Prabhupada. Whereas in fact, TKG and his friends were powerless neophytes. Stop turning TKG into a more powerful demon than Hiranyakasipoo. Give credit where credit is due. Stop pushing TKG on the pedestral of biggest demons of all times. There will be people who conclude like that - because of your propaganda! <br /><br />[PADA: Well Judas is credited with helping to kill Jesus, that is not putting him on a pedestal,its just stating what occurred at the time. Are you saying the poison complaint is not valid (which is what the IRM says)? Not sure what your point is, at all. In any case, you have avoided explaining the poison complaint statements from Srila Prabhupada. You need to actually comment on his direct statements. ys pd]krishna1008https://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-28534115565374850312014-04-06T08:35:10.453-07:002014-04-06T08:35:10.453-07:00@"But yes, Tamal later told Satsvarupa that S...@"But yes, Tamal later told Satsvarupa that Srila Prabhupada "wanted us to give him something to make him disappear"" Right, now you state that Prabhupada wanted medically assisted suicide with poison, this is getting really insane? <br /><br />[PADA: I did not state that, Tamal stated that, this would be his cover in case the poison issue became public, we did it at his request. We did not say this, Tamal said this?]<br /><br />Please don't go by direct sense perception. Prabhupada says everything in his books. Devotees is protected always, poison doesn't act. Now a gang of rascals teach that Prabhupada was captured by poison. This has to be stopped.<br /><br />[PADA: Jesus was not crucified, it does not ever occur that pure devotees are attacked? You must be taking too much happy weed. Sorry, pure devotees can be attacked, are attacked, are even -- crucified. This is well known to everyone, ooops, except you! We need to stop preaching that Jesus was crucified, because then Satan is in charge? Umm, nope, that is not how most people view this. ys pd] krishna1008https://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-78156795358995463482014-04-06T08:31:00.686-07:002014-04-06T08:31:00.686-07:00@"The poisoning of Srila Prabhupada is a tran...@"The poisoning of Srila Prabhupada is a transcendental pastime that must be understood as such in as much detail as possible" Poisoning of Srila Prabhupada is a transcendental pastime? What an idiot is this? He should write on New York Times - Poisoning of Srila Prabhupada is a transcendental pastime... Very good preaching! In Bhagavad-gita Krishna says, surrender unto me and you're protected. Now another upstart says, wait, poison acts. They poisoned Prabhupada and Krishna just watched how TKG administered poison. And the writer of this is a Mahatma? Ok, PADA invited this man to teach how poison kills a pure devotee. Very good preaching! Go on with the good work! <br /><br />[PADA: So, you are saying Jesus was not crucified? You sir, are an idiot! ys pd]krishna1008https://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-38910057994997612142014-04-06T07:07:42.070-07:002014-04-06T07:07:42.070-07:00WYATT: If a utama adhikary, a spiritual master etc...WYATT: If a utama adhikary, a spiritual master etc, can grow old and due to the old age, he has to leave his body -- then certainly he can be effected by the intake of poison. The point is -- did Srila Prabhupada's disciples gave him poison? Well, here is the answer that Srila Prabhupada himself gives: "Prabhupada conversations, November 8th, 1977, Vrindavan." --------------------------------------------------------------------- Kaviraja: Ye Maharaj ye kotha ap kaise bola aj ki koi bola hai ki poison diya. Ye apko kuch abhasa hua hai kya? [Oh, Maharaja, today, how did you say that someone told you that you were given poison? Did you feel something like that?] Prabhupada: Nahi aise koi hai bol jo dene se aisa hota hai. Sayad koi kilab mein likha hai. [No, someone said that it happens (symptoms) if it is given. Perhaps it is written in some book.] Now compare this with the explanation given in English to Tamala Krishna Maharaja later that same day. Tamala Krishna: Srila on<br /><br />[PADA: Sorry Wyatt. This was cut off here. But yes, Tamal later told Satsvarupa that Srila Prabhupada "wanted us to give him something to make him disappear" (he wanted to be poisoned). This is found on an old audio tape published by Isa das, and the audio is on his site. Tamal also said that people blamed him for killing Srila Prabhupada, so there was some preliminary discussion going on way before we got to it in public. One of the poison whispers "Jay --- God-d*mm*t Jay" has been surmised as being a reference to Jayadvaita, whose karmi name is also Jay Israel. He was apparently the only "Jay" in the area at the time. ys pd] krishna1008https://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-27369492258005560742014-04-05T22:32:21.112-07:002014-04-05T22:32:21.112-07:00Ya Idiot! Ya dont know WHO killed Prabhupada do ya...Ya Idiot! Ya dont know WHO killed Prabhupada do ya? <br /><br />[PADA: Yes, we know who the people are who are whispering.]<br /><br />Let's say it was Tamal, as a lot of people think it was. <br /><br />[PADA: OK. Lets say its Tamal, so he was ALSO the mastermind of the bogus guru appointment. If he is the ring leader of the poison issue, and ring leader of the bogus appointment, then we clobber two big deviations in one stroke.]<br /><br />Well Tamal is DEAD! <br /><br />[PADA: But the guru process he master minded is still in operation? The poison complaint is still not widely known yet?]<br /><br />Krishna arranged nicely for him to die on the way to the airport where he was used to being treated as big guy. In fact those were his famous last words, either f** or s***, I don't know I heard both stories. My point is you don't know who tried to poison Prabhupada, and there is no way on earth to prove who did it other than to say maybe Tamal and his co horts. That's not going to get you a conviction, and without proof that will hold up in court DO NOT TRY TO ADMINISTER JUSTICE ON YOUR OWN. That is what happened at New Vrndavana, devotees thought they were above the law and the ksatriyas administered their own brand of justice. The only problem is they were wrong. DEAD wrong! <br /><br />[PADA: I am not interested in what the India courts say, the courts in India are corrupt and that is why they are often supporting the bogus GBC gurus in the first place over there. What we are doing is going direct to the court of public opinion, we want people to know that the criminal take over of ISKCON has a root cause, We want people to know what Srila Prabhupada said, that he was being given poison. <br /><br />We do not care what other people think of his statements -- or don't think of his statements, we want more people to know what was being said in 1977 by Srila Prabhupada. Whether or not Jesus being crucified can be proven in court does not concern me one iota. We want the devotees of Srila Prabhupada to know what he said, and that is what we are doing, making it available. If people like it, good, if they do not like it, also good, That's what Srila Prabhupada said, he made a poison complaint, and we think his words are important, and so do many others who agree with us. We do not need a court conviction, we need people to understand what he said and why he said it. What is your plan to deal with this issue? ys pd] krishna1008https://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com