tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post1187022848736423459..comments2024-03-28T18:26:53.256-07:00Comments on krishna1008: Transcending material naturekrishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.comBlogger1125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-9282538209234129322012-01-14T03:36:34.466-08:002012-01-14T03:36:34.466-08:00Narayana Swami telling we shouldnt bother about fa...Narayana Swami telling we shouldnt bother about fallen gurus...let it all happen.<br /><br />Syamarani dasi: Nowadays, many of the devotees coming into ISKCON and taking diksa from our god-brothers are understanding that their gurus are not on Srila Prahbupada’s level of uttama, but that they are on some level of madhyama. Is it okay for them to think that their guru is on some level of madhyama?<br /><br />Srila Gurudeva: They should think, “My Gurudeva is really a Vaisnava, and by surrendering to him, we can attain the service of Radha and Krsna.” If they do not regard their guru in this way, they will not be able to obey their holy master, and gradually they will go down. If they think, “My guru is really a Vaisnava, bhagavat-svarupa (a manifestation of the Supreme Lord), they will gradually go up. Then, when their heart becomes so sincere, Krsna will arrange the right person as guru.<br /><br />Jagatarini dasi: Perhaps the disciples’ madhyama guru is ahead of them, and if he is advancing and advancing, then he will be able to guide them to some proper course?<br /><br />Srila Gurudeva: Guru is akhanda-tattva. If a guru says, “Chant harinama,” this idea is not of that gurudeva. It is of Srila Prabhupada Bhaktivedanta Svami. And actually, this idea came from his guru, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, and actually this idea came from his guru. At last, the origin is Krsna, and from Krsna comes Baladeva Prabhu.<br /><br />Krsna is akhanda-guru; Baladeva akhanda-guru. We should obey our spiritual master and think that he is obeying Krsna and Baladeva, the root gurus. We should think that, “In this way, I am obeying Baladeva Prabhu.” Guru is a manifestation of Baladeva Prabhu.<br /><br />If we see that our guru is different from Baladeva Prabhu, Rupa Gosvami, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, Srila Bhaktivedanta Svami Maharaja, then we should do namaskara (offer respects) to him, and have no further relation with him – if there is a difference. And if there is no difference, we should treat him as a manifestation of Baladeva Prabhu.<br /><br />Syamarani dasi: But hundreds or thousands of ISKCON devotees now think, “My Gurudeva is madhyama”. This is because of all that happened in ISKCON.<br /><br />Srila Gurudeva: Do you think your Gurudeva is madhyama?<br /><br />Syamarani dasi: No.<br /><br />Srila Gurudeva: Why?<br /><br />Syamarani dasi: Because he has the words and characteristics and symptoms of an uttama-adhikari.<br /><br />Srila Gurudeva: You are coming to me. What do you think about me? Do you think I am uttama or kanistha?<br /><br />Syamarani dasi: I think you are uttama.<br /><br />Srila Gurudeva: I’m telling you that I am kanistha-adhikari.<br /><br />Syamarani dasi: I don’t believe it. None of us here believe it.<br /><br />Srila Gurudeva: You are not believing?<br /><br />Syamarani dasi: No. Because you have the laksana (symptoms) of an uttama.<br /><br />Srila Gurudeva: Oh, you know the laksana of an uttama?<br /><br />Syamarani dasi: Well, you seem to.<br /><br />Srila Gurudeva: [laughing with some sarcasm, as only an uttama-bhakta, or madhyama-uttama, can actually recognize such symptoms with realization] You are so qualified.<br /><br />Jagatarini dasi: A disciple cannot really see on what level his guru is situated. You have said on other occasions that he has not got the qualification to judge.<br /><br />Srila Gurudeva: Why are you bothering about these things? You have connection with a real guru, so what problems are with you?<br /><br />Syamarani dasi: None. But we are surrounded by people in ISKCON who have these problems and are asking these questions.<br /><br />Srila Gurudeva: They should work out their problems. Why are you wasting your time with this? I am also travelling in so many places, and I am not bothered. I believe in akhanda-guru-tattva – purna-guru-tattva (the full, complete, undivided principle of guru).rmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01022640659150823129noreply@blogger.com